Looking for a friendly flexible dealer
Looking for a friendly flexible dealer
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Porkupine

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1,722 posts

194 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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I am looking to buy a prestige car, something along the lines of Bentley Continental.
I will buy the car at the end of July and will be keeping it for just 6 months. Probably accruing around 4k miles on it in that time. It will be garaged and cherished, as with all my cars.

So I want to find a dealer, anywhere in the country, who would be willing to sell me the car, and agree to buy it back 6 months later, at a given sum. Is this possible? Anybody know of any dealers who would entertain this concept? Recommendations I figure are the best way to go. Also - if I start looking now, the ideal dealer can then perhaps source me the car in the first place.

Car will be paid for in full in cash on purchase.

Looking forward to some replies!


Porkupine

Original Poster:

1,722 posts

194 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Anyone?

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

207 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Sounds like money laundering. I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

Besides, if you could predict the used car market/wider economy in 6 months' time you wouldn't waste your time selling cars - you'd be a financial guru or Mystic Meg.

HTP99

25,144 posts

169 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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It would have to be a brave dealer to a) guarantee a figure for six months time as who knows what the market for that sort of car will be like in six months time and b) commit to actually buying the car back as; again, who knows what the market for that sort of car will be like in six months time.

Stinkfoot

2,245 posts

221 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Just buy one and worry about selling it in 6 months !

Dr G

15,951 posts

271 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Assume you're going to lose 25% of your investment; if it's less it's a bonus.

No dealer in the right mind would be bound to anything like this.

t400ble

1,804 posts

150 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Cheaper to rent one

Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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How can the dealer guarantee you don't ruin the value with something you do, or that the market moves and it becomes a white elephant he can't sell on.

Porkupine

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1,722 posts

194 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Similar concept works with GFV on PCP. So was wondering if anybody would entertain the idea.

Condition would obviously have to be written into the deal. Assuming condition stays spot on.

Anyway, may have to just go with the traditional way, and worry about it later!

Assuming 25% lost in 6 months! Assume 40k car, am I really going to lose 10k in 6 months!!?

Or if I go for 60k car, lose 15k!??

These cars have majority of depreciation done, so it should mainly be the dealer margin I lose surely!

Porkupine

Original Poster:

1,722 posts

194 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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brickwall said:
Well on the rough guess that these cars halve in value every 3 years, I'd guess that you should lose no more than 10% in 6 months.

And halving in value over 3 years is a pretty strong assumption for lots of used cars - it might not be crazy to halve over 5.
Appreciate that, but should also need to take into account the dealer profit margin, which I iwll lose on driving it out of the showroom!

oldnbold

1,280 posts

175 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Porkupine said:
Similar concept works with GFV on PCP. So was wondering if anybody would entertain the idea.

Condition would obviously have to be written into the deal. Assuming condition stays spot on.

Anyway, may have to just go with the traditional way, and worry about it later!

Assuming 25% lost in 6 months! Assume 40k car, am I really going to lose 10k in 6 months!!?

Or if I go for 60k car, lose 15k!??

These cars have majority of depreciation done, so it should mainly be the dealer margin I lose surely!
I would think that the difference between trade and retail on a car like this is at least £6k. So in theory you will kiss this goodbye as soon as you drive off the forecourt.

I dont think a further £4k in depreciation over a 6 month time frame is out of the question, so yes you could lose £10k in 6 months. But it may not be much more if you kept it a year.

Fast Bug

13,540 posts

190 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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oldnbold said:
I would think that the difference between trade and retail on a car like this is at least £6k. So in theory you will kiss this goodbye as soon as you drive off the forecourt.

I dont think a further £4k in depreciation over a 6 month time frame is out of the question, so yes you could lose £10k in 6 months. But it may not be much more if you kept it a year.
I was just about to type that pretty much word for word!

So yeah, expect to lose circa £10k. Maybe a more as it depends how brave the dealer is feeling when guessing what the car will be worth in 6 months time. And if they'll shift it befire the Christmas period, or if they'll allow for a couple of extra book drops as they'll still have it in January. I know I would...

TA14

14,332 posts

287 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Fast Bug said:
oldnbold said:
I would think that the difference between trade and retail on a car like this is at least £6k. So in theory you will kiss this goodbye as soon as you drive off the forecourt.

I dont think a further £4k in depreciation over a 6 month time frame is out of the question, so yes you could lose £10k in 6 months. But it may not be much more if you kept it a year.
I was just about to type that pretty much word for word!

So yeah, expect to lose circa £10k. Maybe a more as it depends how brave the dealer is feeling when guessing what the car will be worth in 6 months time. And if they'll shift it befere the Christmas period, or if they'll allow for a couple of extra book drops as they'll still have it in January. I know I would...
I think that the margin might be optimistic from the OP's point of view plus as you say the dealer will want to err on the side of caution if he's going to guarantee to buy it so maybe offer £25K on something that he's selling now for £40K.

It could be a tricky legal document. What if it has a cat D accident and the OP repairs it? Or other accidents?

How much would a pcp be from Bentley? Do you want to mod the car and then change it back? Do you want to track the car a lot? Use it for an unusual business?

Porkupine

Original Poster:

1,722 posts

194 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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TA14 said:
How much would a pcp be from Bentley?

Do you want to mod the car and then change it back? Do you want to track the car a lot? Use it for an unusual business?
I will find out about the PCP option...but is there any sort of break clause, where you can just hand back after a certain period. I am sure I heard previously after 12 months you can hand back and cease the agreement. Regardless of what is left to pay.

Answers to the other questions...NO. NO. and NO.

HTP99

25,144 posts

169 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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Porkupine said:
TA14 said:
How much would a pcp be from Bentley?

Do you want to mod the car and then change it back? Do you want to track the car a lot? Use it for an unusual business?
I will find out about the PCP option...but is there any sort of break clause, where you can just hand back after a certain period. I am sure I heard previously after 12 months you can hand back and cease the agreement. Regardless of what is left to pay.

Answers to the other questions...NO. NO. and NO.
One you have paid half of the total amount payable you van voluntary terminate the agreement.

TA14

14,332 posts

287 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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HTP99 said:
One you have paid half of the total amount payable you van voluntary terminate the agreement.
So I suppose that the OP now needs to know whether he can reasonably find someone to offer a one year PCP on a secondhand car valued at around £40K.

HumbleJim

28,952 posts

212 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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TA14 said:
HTP99 said:
One you have paid half of the total amount payable you van voluntary terminate the agreement.
So I suppose that the OP now needs to know whether he can reasonably find someone to offer a one year PCP on a secondhand car valued at around £40K.
Doesn't have to be a PCP, HP is also regulated. The point is 50% of an agreement on a £40k car is a huge 6 cost for a 6 months motoring. Better to buy for cash and sell when ready.

Mr SFJ

4,089 posts

151 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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If you're going to own the car for 6 months, why not buy a fun shed, unless you want to pose and show off money you haven't got?

Porkupine

Original Poster:

1,722 posts

194 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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Mr SFJ said:
If you're going to own the car for 6 months, why not buy a fun shed, unless you want to pose and show off money you haven't got?
The idea is to buy and pay in full in cash (unless PCP allows a smoother sale), so the money is available, it is not for purpose of showing off. Not that it is any of your business.

Also , the car is being bought to serve a particular purpose. A 'fun shed' is not going to fulfill the required criteria to serve that purpose. This thread was not a debate around the type of car I am buying, but many thanks for your 'fun shed' suggestion nonetheless.


Mr SFJ

4,089 posts

151 months

Tuesday 20th May 2014
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Porkupine said:
The idea is to buy and pay in full in cash (unless PCP allows a smoother sale), so the money is available, it is not for purpose of showing off. Not that it is any of your business.

Also , the car is being bought to serve a particular purpose. A 'fun shed' is not going to fulfill the required criteria to serve that purpose. This thread was not a debate around the type of car I am buying, but many thanks for your 'fun shed' suggestion nonetheless.
Great. Then why flog 100k car in 6 months?

ETA: What purpose, other than picking up high-brow clients would you need a Bentley for?



Edited by Mr SFJ on Tuesday 20th May 16:19