RE: Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type V6
RE: Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type V6
Friday 23rd May 2014

Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type V6

How staunchly anti-auto are you? Shed puts it to the test with a rather odd Jaguar



A Jaguar with a manual gearbox. It sounds a bit peculiar, like strawberries without cream, Morecambe without Wise, or ding without bat. That's because Jaguar never quite nailed the three-pedal shuffle. From the fateful moment that the first car journo crunched another reluctant cog into action on a Moss-'boxed E-type, we've learnt to welcome automatic Jaguars as the default option, and to feel no remorse at the disappearance of the spindly wand from the Browns Lane walnut.

Here's a spec for you: no leather or auto...
Here's a spec for you: no leather or auto...
So it comes as a surprise to find that a car as relatively modern as an S-type could be ordered with a manual cog-stirrer. Despite the helpful passage of about half a century since those awkward Moss units first made their hateful appearance, Jaguar still hadn't really learned the knack of slick gearchanging when the S-Type arrived on the scene. To be fair, few prestige brands have covered themselves with glory on the manual box front. Mercedes ones are pants, and Shed will argue long into the night with anyone who maintains that there is something pleasing about a BMW manual. But surely there is value in the rarity of the manual S-Type, if not in its quality?

Our Shed is proletarian in more ways than one. It has no leather, for example. But even basic Jags are better equipped than most. In terms of the driving experience, the S-Type is not as sporty as a 5 Series, but nor is it the last car you should buy before pulling up the sarcophagus for a long lie down. Anyway, it more than makes up for any perceived shortage of handling prowess by offering bucketloads of the indefinable Jaguarness that is as hard to pin down as a UKIP candidate, but as warmly welcome as a naughty uncle at a dull family wedding.

... but there is a sunroof; superb!
... but there is a sunroof; superb!
There's no question that a degree of bravery is needed to step into the S-Type arena, especially if it's an early car you're looking at, like this one. These first S-Types suffered from quite a few woes, like ignition coil failures, premature engine wear and water-provoked electrical problems. This car does have the benefit of a full MOT, though that will be scant comfort if you find yourself marooned on the M11 in the early hours of a winter's morning with the silence broken only by the last tooth-grinding turn of a mullered crank. Take a look in the small ads for 3.0-litre S-Types and you will most likely be amazed at the number afflicted by some sort of bottom end problem. Even the most optimistic sellers would find it hard to insult a buyer's intelligence by categorising that as an 'easy fix'.

To the list of S-Type shortcomings you can add a shallow boot (although the rear seats fold, more than doubling your cargo space), rattly trim and a tendency to spin like a centrifuge on slippery roads. However, spare parts to replace your crash-damaged ones are plentiful, and not as expensive as you might think. S-Types are quite tough on suspension parts, but think of these as consumable items that contribute to your sense of well-being and life won't seem so bad. The good news is, the S-Type ticks the PH essentials rear-wheel drive box, so you can stun and amaze your friends at the the next driftathon.

Not infallible would be the kindest description
Not infallible would be the kindest description
At the end of the day, or indeed the beginning of it, you've got 240 horses and 6-second 0-60 potential. It's really not so tough to put up with the odd ownership quirk when you've got those sorts of numbers at your disposal.

Here's the ad.

Black, mot until may 2015, Satellite navigation, Traction control, Parking aid, Remote central locking, Electric door mirrors, CD Player, Alarm, Cruise control, Electric windows, Heated seats, Sunroof, Central locking, Airbags, Folding rear seats, Power steering, 3x3 point rear seat belts, Air conditioning, Alloy wheels, Radio, Height adjustable drivers seat

 

 

 

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SmartVenom

Original Poster:

462 posts

198 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I really like that. I suspect a lot of others will as well, there's always a fair bit of love for an old jag.

crostonian

2,427 posts

201 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Nice old bus and comfy place to sit while waiting on the hard shoulder!

SprintSpeciale

432 posts

174 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I can forgive it everything except the box. Who bought a new S-type with a manual shift? It is like wearing brown shoes with a grey suit - only for the wilfully eccentric.

X5TUU

12,780 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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manual and no cow-hide ... What was the original purchaser thinking??!!?? Unless they were dizzied at the thoughts of the depreciation

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

203 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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The V8 is the one to have, the 3.0 lacks the special feel and performance.

"rare manual" - yes because who wants a Jag with a manual box, it defeats the whole purpose surely? And no leather either.

Still for 995 can't complain too much.....

lbc

3,331 posts

246 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I don't like these at all.

Looks too much like a Rover 75, which I also dislike.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Not for me thanks. Ungainly looks outside, well-specced Nissan on the inside.

Triumph Man

9,577 posts

197 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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For me it's a no. The pre facelift (or interior lift) S-type seems to be slipping into the "OAP chav" bracket these days, and the number of these with aftermarket tinsel is staggering. Plus someone once said the centre console in these looks like a urinal and I've never been able to get away from that. Plus I hate the steering wheel. And the colour of the wood.

Don't get me wrong, I like the S-types following their update to the interior whenever that was (2002?) but this one leaves me cold.

AudiWurst

4,746 posts

256 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
The V8 is the one to have, the 3.0 lacks the special feel and performance.
At shed money, the only V8s are 4.0s which with the flakey Ford autobox. The later 4.2 with the ZF box is much nicer. At the <1000 price point I'd rather have a V6 manual.

Looking forward to when the post-02 facelift cars come into shed territory.

Domf

286 posts

184 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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My car was in for a service last week and I borrowed a W plate 3.0 manual with 211,000 S type from the JAG specialist garage. The car didn't rattle, and hit the loud pedal and as Clarkson says 'POWERRRRRRRRRR', the jagaur on the bonnet rose and the old girl flew on the Motorway. Like driving a comfortable leather settee and the gearbox was easy. I have the X 2.5 Sport with the awd and that box is precise, you don't rush it to get the best. One observation Jaguar's biggest seller ever (X type) the vast majority sold with a manual box.

griffhnter

21 posts

202 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I must disagree about manual Jags.

I found a 3.4 Mk1 with a Moss box incredibly rewarding to drive. Provided you concentrate, the gearbox is great, but a momentary lapse and you crunch the gears. But driving should be about concentrating and enjoyment.

I had series one Daimler Sovereign to which I fitted a manual box with overdrive whilst retaining the high ratio auto car's rear axle, and that made an economic high speed tourer.

Then I had a series one Daimler Double Six to which I fitted the same gearbox and overdrive. Contrary to popular opinion, the overdrive handled the torque without a problem.

I could never understand how a designer in Detroit could know when I want to change gear, or how a driving enthusiast could tolerate an automatic gearbox.

s m

24,468 posts

232 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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PH article said:
At the end of the day, or indeed the beginning of it, you've got 240 horses and 6-second 0-60 potential.....
6 second potential?

You'd need a V8 one for that surely

AudiWurst

4,746 posts

256 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Triumph Man said:
For me it's a no. The pre facelift (or interior lift) S-type seems to be slipping into the "OAP chav" bracket these days, and the number of these with aftermarket tinsel is staggering.
LOL. Funny description, but equally applicable to a number of E39 5-series and W210 Mercs. At this price point, you're not going to be getting a cherished "museum piece" car.

s m said:
6 second potential? You'd need a V8 one for that surely
Yep. Wiki says 7.6s (0-62mph) for the 3.0 V6 manual. Still not too shabby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_S-Type#Specifi...

sideways man

1,668 posts

166 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I Thought about getting a v8 one with lpg conversion as a daily driver, but decided against. Have heard lots of stories about dodgy electrics and chocolate engines. Most of these for sale have low miles,makes me think they spend more time at the garage being fixed!

Still really like them though.

Triumph Man

9,577 posts

197 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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AudiWurst said:
Triumph Man said:
For me it's a no. The pre facelift (or interior lift) S-type seems to be slipping into the "OAP chav" bracket these days, and the number of these with aftermarket tinsel is staggering.
LOL. Funny description, but equally applicable to a number of E39 5-series and W210 Mercs. At this price point, you're not going to be getting a cherished "museum piece" car.
Very true. Given that I would happily have an E39 5 series, I must conclude that the PFL S type's inbuilt urinal and horrific steering wheel put me off.

EggsBenedict

1,795 posts

203 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Like that underbonnet shot with the intake curving round like that.

Good shed - bit different. Be happy with the stick shift, less so with the lack of moo cow.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

194 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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What is it that kills the bottom end on these? The usual lack of maintenence or a specific design fault?

pSyCoSiS

4,308 posts

234 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Come on, that's not a 'proper' Jag now is it?! And nor is an X Type!

Fair play for finding a manual version.

I just find the interiors of these look cheap and tacky compared to the XJ.

Would love to find a nice 4.2 V8 model to smoke around in for a while. Almost 300bhp, it cant be bad!

pSyCoSiS

4,308 posts

234 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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s m said:
6 second potential?

You'd need a V8 one for that surely
I was thinking the same... doubt the 3.0 V6 will do 0-60 in the same sprint as an E34 M5?!

The V8 on the other hand, different kettle of fish.

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

176 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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s m said:
PH article said:
At the end of the day, or indeed the beginning of it, you've got 240 horses and 6-second 0-60 potential.....
6 second potential?

You'd need a V8 one for that surely
I was wondering that, would be very upset to be spanked at the lights by this.

Still, i like the cloth manual box combo & it meets my minimum requirement....a sunroof....so i'm in.

a proper shed that.