Golf MK3 GTi - 8v vs 16v ?
Golf MK3 GTi - 8v vs 16v ?
Author
Discussion

caaarrl94

Original Poster:

14 posts

174 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
quotequote all
My question isn't about performance like top speed or acceleration, but it's more about reliability and running costs.

Which is better for an everyday car - still with abit of zip.

btw I'll be turning 20 with 2 years no claims in september which is when i plan on changing cars.

What insurance sites do you recommend for getting quotes?
I'm tying myself in knots trying to work out all of the dates

ambuletz

11,749 posts

210 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
quotequote all
caaarrl94 said:


What insurance sites do you recommend for getting quotes?
Can't really suggest any. Insurance is done on an individuals circmstance. You just have to search everywhere. comparison sites, actual websites of insurers, brokers, and insurance companies that are not part of comparison sites (like adrian flux)

Miner49er

382 posts

234 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
There won't be much in it, but running costs will be slightly in favour of the 8v.

The press hated the 8v back in the day; the 16v rated as a far better car and was considered close to class-best.

In my experience, that was unfair... both were nice cars, they just drove completely differently. Until the 16v came out, the 8v couldn't compete, performance-wise, with it's competitors. It was a quality product though, which is why so many exist today.

Both can now be insured on classic policies, but I have a feeling you might need to be 21 to qualify.

Before you commit to a GTI though, try a VR6...

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

239 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
If you can afford a 16v I wouldn't bother with an 8v, although as said above in terms of inital purchase cost a VR6 isn't much more but they can be a lot more to run than a GTI

BritishRacinGrin

26,497 posts

189 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
The performance debate has been rife ever since the Mk2... anybody who says the performance is drastically different between the two probably hasn't driven both back-to-back. Neither have I. But in the various Golf racing championships the advantage of the 16v over the 8v is measured in tenths, not seconds, per lap.

Personally I like the characteristics of two valve engines for daily use. They tend to deliver the torque lower in the rev band which makes them more flexible when it comes to everyday high gear / low speed situations. The 16v makes more horsepower but peak power and torque is further around the gauge so this advantage is negated in every day use unless you're running it to the limiter.

In terms of ownership costs I expect they're broadly almost identical, except perhaps in terms of insurance where the 16v models probably come off a tiny bit worse.

Pickled Piper

6,452 posts

264 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
I had an 8v for many years. it has no zip at all.

16v definitely.

pp

vrooom

3,763 posts

296 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
they are pretty slow.

Test driver

348 posts

153 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
As said the vr6 is miles better than both.

The Nur

9,168 posts

214 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
I've had an 8v and a mate had a 16v, both at the same time. Mine was more reliable (just), his was a little faster.

In truth, both were pretty ste.

Pebbles167

4,572 posts

181 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
Driven both. One felt like a hatchback with a sluggish engine, the other felt like a GTI. Prefered the driving feel to their MK4 counterparts but not as enjoyable as the MK2.

As others have said, if fuel isn't a massive issue try a VR6. Insurance shouldn't be that much.

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

239 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
Ecurie Ecosse said:
Any particular reason why you are looking at a Mk3 instead of a Mk2?

If you are set on a Mk3 both engines are robust and the 16v is a lot better. Better still if fitted to a Mk2 smile
Ideally you want the best of both, a MK2 shell running a mk3 2.0 16v ABF or a 2.8 VR6 AAA engine & running gear, both are great fun!!!!!

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
quotequote all
MK3 8v is fairly horrible in the performance department. I think it's around 100 (+ a bit) kg heavier than the Mk2 and it feels every bit of it.

Rest of the car is pretty solid and handling is reasonable. Good for a very cheap commuter but not a performance car.