Seller sends V5 off and signs as me. Can I stop this?
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Basically, we bought a car as a bit of a project and it was always going to be a risk. Having now had the chance to properly inspect it, I have decided to sell it on as a spares/repair as I don't think I can get it all sorted.
When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
Edited by SmokedOut on Saturday 24th May 16:17
Rosscow said:
Can't believe you bought it without the V5 in the first place!
Sounds like you don't have much option but to wait (and hope he's telling the truth!).
By the sounds of it I doubt an extra owner will make much difference?
Wasn't bothered about that, to be honest. It all added up fine and I had/have no concerns about that. It's just the fact that now, I won't have one to sell it with, which is going to make life difficult. It also adds one more keeper which is just a pain in the backside really.Sounds like you don't have much option but to wait (and hope he's telling the truth!).
By the sounds of it I doubt an extra owner will make much difference?
He was supposed to just forward the bloody thing on. I'd have had it here Tuesday.
You want to know what fraud would be? You selling the car on the basis that it has had X keepers when it fact it has X plus one. Yes, that one is you.
You bought the car, and you have it in your possession. There is no fraud here by the bloke who sold it to you, as there has been no deception by him. The dude did you a favour by sorting out the V5. The fact is that you are the keeper of the car and yet you want to have some sort of beef about being registered as keeper?
If you bought a pup, bad luck, but moaning about the number of keepers on the V5 is pretty much an irrelevancy. What were you planning to do? Keep the V5 in the seller's name (no doubt without his consent)? The seller can't still be the keeper - he ain't got the car. Also, some (not all) people might not want to buy the car unless the V5 is in your name.
Really, this appears to be a whinge about nothing, and, as I said, if anyone here is thinking of doing a bit of fraud, it's the OP. Some threads in this forum just make me go FFS. This thread is one of those.
You bought the car, and you have it in your possession. There is no fraud here by the bloke who sold it to you, as there has been no deception by him. The dude did you a favour by sorting out the V5. The fact is that you are the keeper of the car and yet you want to have some sort of beef about being registered as keeper?
If you bought a pup, bad luck, but moaning about the number of keepers on the V5 is pretty much an irrelevancy. What were you planning to do? Keep the V5 in the seller's name (no doubt without his consent)? The seller can't still be the keeper - he ain't got the car. Also, some (not all) people might not want to buy the car unless the V5 is in your name.
Really, this appears to be a whinge about nothing, and, as I said, if anyone here is thinking of doing a bit of fraud, it's the OP. Some threads in this forum just make me go FFS. This thread is one of those.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th May 17:05
SluffMcDuff said:
The seller wasn't 'supposed' to just give it to you. He is supposed (and legally required) to send it to the DVLA notifying them of a change of keeper. He's done nothing wrong.
It doesn't require a signature from the new keeper either, just the seller, and probably not even that.
Correct appraisal of the facts. As Breadvan says earlier this is the correct method of car acquisition ensuring that all the owners of the vehicle, which you clearly are, are shown as owners. I would agree you,as othershave said, you should accept the facts and move on. It doesn't require a signature from the new keeper either, just the seller, and probably not even that.
SluffMcDuff said:
The seller wasn't 'supposed' to just give it to you. He is supposed (and legally required) to send it to the DVLA notifying them of a change of keeper. He's done nothing wrong.
...indeed, he'd have been in the wrong NOT to. If ever you buy a car from me, then - sorry - I don't care what you say, that V5C is going back to DVLA with your name and address on it. I do not want to have argue the toss over your speeding/parking/ANPR tickets.As for the number of keepers - it's a spares-or-repairs sale. Do you _really_ think that the number of keepers is going to make a blind bit of difference to the value?
TooMany2cvs] said:
As for the number of keepers - it's a spares-or-repairs sale. Do you _really_ think that the number of keepers is going to make a blind bit of difference to the value?
I was about to post the same. 2/4/6/10 owners makes no difference, its condition of parts that matters.SmokedOut said:
Basically, we bought a car as a bit of a project and it was always going to be a risk. Having now had the chance to properly inspect it, I have decided to sell it on as a spares/repair as I don't think I can get it all sorted.
When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
No, you can't. The seller is acting correctly by signing it themselves as the registered keeper.When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
It is your desire to hide a keeper that is improper and rather pointless.
Edited by Martin4x4 on Tuesday 27th May 21:11
Martin4x4 said:
SmokedOut said:
Basically, we bought a car as a bit of a project and it was always going to be a risk. Having now had the chance to properly inspect it, I have decided to sell it on as a spares/repair as I don't think I can get it all sorted.
When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
No, you can't. The seller is action correctly in signing it themselves as the registered keeper.When buying, the seller had been left the car by a family member and didn't have a V5, so we just took a receipt from him as we felt fairly comfortable about it, and the car was at his house etc.
We asked that he just forward the whole V5 to us when he received it. Turns out he's sent it off to the DVLA this morning. Seeing as I have not signed this V5, how can he do this? This will now add an extra keeper needlessly.
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
We can't wait for the new one to arrive as we need a working car. Work in progress is fine if it's usable, but I don't feel this one is, so that's that.
Any advice appreciated.
It is your desired to hide a keeper action that is improper and rather pointless.
If the inheritor had sent it off to get his name on it, then sent it again with yours that might have been one extra unneccesary owner.
The seller would have been right to do this; but I can understand why you might be annoyed.
But for him to sort out the V5 so that it appears you bought it directly from the deceased.
That's all good.
The seller would have been right to do this; but I can understand why you might be annoyed.
But for him to sort out the V5 so that it appears you bought it directly from the deceased.
That's all good.
SmokedOut said:
Can I contact the DVLA and inform them that they will be receiving a log book that has been signed fraudulently? Will it just cause too much hassle to do so? It now means selling the vehicle with no V5 present, which looks dodgy as hell.
People do buy cars without the V5 present, they get a receipt if they feel comfortable about it and if the car is at their house 
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