RE: Motorsport on Monday: 26/05/14
RE: Motorsport on Monday: 26/05/14
Monday 26th May 2014

Motorsport on Monday: 26/05/14

Off-track action flares up in Monaco, why the WEC is wicked



Qualifying: Rosberg, Hamilton, Ricciardo. Race: Rosberg, Hamilton, Ricciardo.

It was a processional Monaco Grand Prix at the pointy end of the Formula 1 field, but you could have predicted that would be the case after the result of Saturday qualifying.

It usually is, and this year didn't (or should that be did?) disappoint. However, it was an interesting weekend not least for the off-track action.

Rosberg's lock-up here less controversial!
Rosberg's lock-up here less controversial!
A little bit of history repeating
A quick re-cap for those who didn't see it - in the final stages of qualifying, Rosberg locked up going into Mirabeau and took to the escape road knowing that, according to him, he wouldn't have made the corner. He then reversed back onto the track as Hamilton approached turn five.

With the German sitting on provisional pole and the yellow flags scuppering any chance Lewis had of improving his time (he was on his quickest lap of the session up to that point) it all but secured Rosberg the Monaco win.

Hamilton was displeased, let's say, not claiming the German had done it on purpose, but refraining from saying anything, very conscious of making any accusatory statements and keeping his powder dry for Sunday.

Prost v Senna '89; to be repeated 25 years on?
Prost v Senna '89; to be repeated 25 years on?
Rosberg was investigated by the stewards and cleared. He made the same mistake in the race, locking up his fronts, and managed to make the corner. Like Lewis however, we're not saying anything...

The most interesting thing to take from last weekend was that the incident ramped up the intra-team tension this season, with more than a few similarities between Senna and Prost at McLaren back in 1988. The MP4/4 was the dominant force back then, winning 15 out of 16 races. The Mercedes W05 has won every race so far this year and could very possibly go on to make a clean sweep this season.

Man management
With the team effectively running two lead drivers, one not wanting to submit to the other, there could be another clash before the end of the year. So how to manage the potential spat between the two?

Processional at the pointy end again
Processional at the pointy end again
Mercedes executive director Toto Wolff said the relationship has been intense since Spain, but that the team will still let them race. However, if the championship continues the way it has, with Rosberg and Hamilton swapping wins and the championship lead, is it going to take a Suzuka chicane showdown like the Senna-Prost rivalry to determine a victor?

Lewis even made reference to it himself, stating "I don't know if Senna and Prost talked about it, but I quite liked the way Senna dealt with that so I'll take a page out of his book." 2014 has got all the hallmarks of a big, bubbling season crescendo already.

If that's to be the case, it's going to have to be instigated on the German's side of the garage, we think. Not that we'd ever accuse or even begin to imagine Rosberg would do something like that to a friend he's grown up alongside and progressed through the ranks of junior formulae with, but with the car's build potentially biased more towards Hamilton for this season - shown by the Brit extracting more speed, more of the time - you can't help but feel it's going to take a serious situation to break Hamilton's resolve, given his recent comments on his hunger. More than a spec of dust in his eye and a second place finish to his teammate, anyway.

WEC 2014 shows sportscar racing at its best
WEC 2014 shows sportscar racing at its best
The right rules
If the Formula One rules are starting to show their merits, similar regulations in sportscar racing are proving even more popular. So popular in fact that Nissan last week announced its return to Le Mans for 2015 with a full factory LMP1 prototype, called the GT-R LM NISMO.

Although Nissan somehow managed to forget to take the covers off its car at the launch event, the buzz around endurance racing at the minute is properly palpable and the competition seriously close.

Audi, Porsche and Toyota are already duking it out, which will next year be supported by the Japanese team, too. Four confirmed manufacturer-backed entries in top-flight endurance racing means we're almost back to the halcyon days of the late 1990s. But it could get even better.

Finally, we have rules that create competition
Finally, we have rules that create competition
With two big Japanese firm's in LMP1 and Honda entering into Formula 1 next year with a turbocharged V6 hybrid, it's not beyond the realms of possibility for Honda to make a few mods, bore out the block, lower the rev limit and stick it in the back of a carbonfibre coupe in a quest for Japanese supremacy at La Sarthe.

It's no secret Ferrari, too, has been considering a reappearance at Le Mans, with top man Luca di Montezemolo making a lot of noise about a return to the big time. An F1-derived V6 turbo hybrid has to be a strong candidate there, too.

Can you imagine a Porsche vs Ferrari sports prototype battle - something we've not seen since the 1970s. I think those in the PH office would explode...

The fact that the World Endurance Championship is attracting so much manufacturer involvement is proof that, in sportscars at least, the fuel flow regulations work, properly equalising the different powertrains to give crowds diversity to watch and interesting racing - unlike the ill-adjusted petrol vs diesel balance of performance from recent years.

[Prost/Senna and Rosberg lock-up pics: LAT]

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Discussion

smilo996

Original Poster:

3,585 posts

193 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Well the best racing again was in motorcycling and especially WSBK.
3 Brits in the top 5 but 4 manufacturers and 3 different engine configs in the top 5 in race 1 and different again in race 2.
2 races on the big day. 7 different riders in the top 5 or the 2 races. last weeks winner back in 6th this week.
Kamikaze overtaking, changeable weather and close racing.

Hamilton should watch some vids of Rossi pre and post race and enjoy and be seen to be enjoying what he is doing rather than acting like a muppet.


Alex Langheck

835 posts

152 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Quite a weekend of Motorsport; World RX at Lydden, WTCC at Salzburgring, Blancpain GT at Silverstone, WSBK at Donington and the Indy 500.

Ipelm

522 posts

215 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Trouble with racing is that you always have the governing bodies making political calculations behind the scenes usually to tempt certain manufacturers in or keep manufacturers already in on side. Sometimes they get it right in terms of the racing and sometimes they dont. So in LMP1 we had a gulf in performance terms between petrol and diesel, anything to keep Audi on side. When they came up with the current rules they knew Toyota would stay, and Porsche had something to build a car that was marketable in terms of its range of road cars. Given Nissan's commitment to GT racing the new rules also represented a sizeable piece of bate to tempt Nissan back after they were badly advised by a certain gentleman (to go down the negligible downforce design route)during their last foray into LMP1.

The endurance format works because the multi-class format always provides huge drama because there are so many battles to watch for all of the class leads, and because the longer length of the races gives time for strategies to transform races.

At the moment LMP2 in the European Le Mans Series is also really strong which is a tremendous bonus with 4 hour races and battles for the lead usually right up to the flag.

Its not on BBC or ITV but its available on line and usually on You Tube afterwards if you miss it, along with such gems as the Japanese Super Gt Series which is a kind of prototype racing with a road based GT class as well.

Of course Endurance racing is the thinking mans racing; and therefore will not pull in the punter who watches just because its on telly and there is a load of chatter about it in the media. This kind of fan can attach their allegiances to some driver or other and that is all there is to it. However I would point out that in endurance racing there is plenty of GENUINE overtaking throughout the classes based on guile and skill not on the entirely artificial means of one guys wing opening up giving him more speed and the other competitor no chance.

Even in the Audi verses private entrants LMP1 years there was always plenty of action to keep us happy throughout the field, then the wonderful Peugeot and Audi battle, and now its allcomers going to it with very competitive cars and high quality racing: What more could a person want if they have racing in their blood and a brain in their head to exercise?

NB. Forgot to mention with so many cars there is always going to be the sound of real racing engines.



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ZX10R NIN

30,026 posts

148 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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I agree the best Racing was the bikes again always will be (unless you're watching Moto GP) NW200 was great apart from the sad loss of Simon Andrews, the racing was fantastic.

As for the Hamilton Rosberg situation I think Lewis needs to show some class (this is from a Lewis Fan) Nikki Lauda confirmed that Lewis used an illegal power mode in the Spanish GP which denied Rosberg the win!

Lewis apologised to Rosberg saying it was an accident & not deliberate, Rosberg had to accept Lewis at his word & didn't go around the paddock spitting his dummy out.

Now when Rosberg makes a mistake Lewis is crying pouting saying they are no longer friends etc just shows a lack of class & that Lewis has a short memory!!!

I'm not defending either of them for their supposed mistakes but saying that Lewis needs to show some tact especially seeing as he accidentally chose the wrong power mode!!

Ian974

3,161 posts

222 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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I struggle to see much difference between Vettel and Webber last year vs Hamilton and Rosberg this year, except no one was throwing around irrelevant Senna and Prost comparisons as if that was the only time teammates didn't get on.

Bionic Billy Nav

138 posts

189 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Well I was at the World RX at Lydden and it was an amazing weekend of racing with the current BTCC Champion Andrew Jordan coming third in his first RX Super car race top man!
Plus the difference between Vettel /Webber and Hamilton/Rosberg is massive as Webber was no real match for Vettel whereas Rosberg and Hamilton are much closer making it much more exciting and comparable to Senna/Prost..


UltimaCH

3,181 posts

212 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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I watched the F1 Monaco race as a first for this year. After 10 minutes I was wondering if the sound system of the TV was out, but I guess that's F1 this year. We need a return to some more engine screaming sounds, not some dull drowne in the background. I definitely prefer the WEC and BTCC. That's proper racing IMO.

ZX10R NIN

30,026 posts

148 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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I have to say the best 4 wheeled motorsport I watch is the Aussie V8 Supercars close great racing, I was lucky enough to be in Adelaide when they were in town racing FANTASTIC

stephen300o

15,464 posts

251 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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F1 is the only motor racing I watch now, the others are very tedious to me.

gary71

2,013 posts

202 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Don't forget Bentley winning the 3 hour Blancpain GT race at Silverstone!

chevronb37

6,472 posts

209 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Bionic Billy Nav said:
Well I was at the World RX at Lydden and it was an amazing weekend of racing with the current BTCC Champion Andrew Jordan coming third in his first RX Super car race top man!
Plus the difference between Vettel /Webber and Hamilton/Rosberg is massive as Webber was no real match for Vettel whereas Rosberg and Hamilton are much closer making it much more exciting and comparable to Senna/Prost..
I seem to recall Andrew Jordan was fairly successful in rallycross before he moved to circuit racing?

Either way, the BES race at Silverstone was fantastic. Andy Meyrick put in a blinder of a stint before Steven Kane did the same. Absolutely top effort by the lads and Meyrick's move on Ortelli around the outside of fan was from the top drawer.

TB Rich

349 posts

242 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Ian974 said:
I struggle to see much difference between Vettel and Webber last year vs Hamilton and Rosberg this year, except no one was throwing around irrelevant Senna and Prost comparisons as if that was the only time teammates didn't get on.
The likening to Senna/Prost now is because each driver (Hamilton/Rosberg) is capable of delivering the drivers championship and it will be a tussel to the end in doing so.
Webber for some reason was nowhere in the 2013 championship, in fact thinking about it, I think 2010 was the only year he ran anything like competitive to Vettel. So although the relationship was 'frosty', it's not comparable to what maybe developing now at Mercedes.

DreadUK

206 posts

155 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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WEC is getting manufacturer involvement back principally because they (the manufacturers) have adjusted to the global downturn. Honda similarly is returning to F1 for much the same reason. BMW has abandoned all but the DTM but they too will have to find a competitive environment to demonstrate their wares.

WEC represents true competition, that between manufacturers, not primadonna celebrities, which is where F1 began with the likes of Auto Union etc.

And has anyone seen a better race win than Tom Sykes, from 11th on lap one to winning race one from his team mate. One of the best rides in any formula other than Rossi's win at Philip Island on the Honda when he was awarded a 10 second penalty during the race, so went on to win by 20 seconds.

The fact is, F1 has always had its dominant teams, Lotus, Tyrrell, McLaren, Williams, Ferrari, Red Bull and others who have all had their periods of inter team bitter rivalries. Nothing changes and the powers that be will watch Mercedes dominate until they can find a way to 'level the field', at which point, another manufacturer/team will find a trick that makes them dominant.

Hamiltons use of an engine setting was perhaps against Mercedes instructions, it was certainly not 'illegal'. I also believe Merc are using 2,000 rpm less than the competition and are still crushing everyone.

Thankfully though, we all now have a choice of what to watch, when and how. We can record and FFWD the boring bits of F1, watch Superbikes, World Rallycross or WEC events live or online. The global spectating spectrum of motorsports gives us all the choices we petrolheads have been screaming for over the years. I can now sit for virtually the entire weekend and watch a variety of races for 8 months or so of the year.

Sadly and predictably I miss the anticipation I used to get from a two week wait before settling down for a 90 minute F1 event with no introductions, grid walks, analysis, brolly dollies or celebrity WAGS. The innovations of the first dodgy aerodynamic wings on spindles, the Renault turbo 'kettle', ground effect, the amazing Brabham fan car, Tyrrell's six wheeler, active suspension and of course some beautiful sounding V12's.

ayseven

130 posts

169 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Hamilton looked like a great big baby. The guy should grow up a bit. For a guy who says how lucky he is a lot of the time, his weekend showed he doesn't mean a word of it.

Vettel vs Webber? Well, they only cheated on one car, so a comparison isn't really fair. Why do you think all the rules were changed?

speedjockey

131 posts

159 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Aren't we forgetting the French are returning to the WEC next season as well?!

Theophany

1,069 posts

153 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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ayseven said:
Hamilton looked like a great big baby. The guy should grow up a bit. For a guy who says how lucky he is a lot of the time, his weekend showed he doesn't mean a word of it.
Couldn't agree more. I thought he'd started to show a bit of long-awaited maturity in recent years, but to my mind he flushed it all away over the last weekend. I wouldn't expect any driver at the pointy end to be all smiles and handshakes when they're not on the top step (well, except maybe Ricciardo, but his constant smiling is borderline psychotic), but even when Nico was frustrated to come second to Lewis he would at least shake his teammate's hand and congratulate him. I think Lewis behaved like a petulant child both after qualifying and the race.

nicholasm

153 posts

208 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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chevronb37 said:
Bionic Billy Nav said:
Well I was at the World RX at Lydden and it was an amazing weekend of racing with the current BTCC Champion Andrew Jordan coming third in his first RX Super car race top man!
Plus the difference between Vettel /Webber and Hamilton/Rosberg is massive as Webber was no real match for Vettel whereas Rosberg and Hamilton are much closer making it much more exciting and comparable to Senna/Prost..
I seem to recall Andrew Jordan was fairly successful in rallycross before he moved to circuit racing?

Either way, the BES race at Silverstone was fantastic. Andy Meyrick put in a blinder of a stint before Steven Kane did the same. Absolutely top effort by the lads and Meyrick's move on Ortelli around the outside of fan was from the top drawer.
2007 British Rallycross Champion, IIRC. The Supercar final at Lydden Hill was some of the best racing I've seen and it was great to see Andrew Jordan take a podium place. Bakkerud looks a class apart, though.

VladD

8,136 posts

288 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Theophany said:
ayseven said:
Hamilton looked like a great big baby. The guy should grow up a bit. For a guy who says how lucky he is a lot of the time, his weekend showed he doesn't mean a word of it.
Couldn't agree more. I thought he'd started to show a bit of long-awaited maturity in recent years, but to my mind he flushed it all away over the last weekend. I wouldn't expect any driver at the pointy end to be all smiles and handshakes when they're not on the top step (well, except maybe Ricciardo, but his constant smiling is borderline psychotic), but even when Nico was frustrated to come second to Lewis he would at least shake his teammate's hand and congratulate him. I think Lewis behaved like a petulant child both after qualifying and the race.
It's a bit more complex than that isn't it. Lewis thinks Rosberg did a Schumacher on him. That's a little bit more serious than just coming second to the guy.

dele

1,270 posts

217 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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speedjockey said:
Aren't we forgetting the French are returning to the WEC next season as well?!
???

Who's that then? Peugeot?!

garypotter

2,029 posts

173 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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stephen300o said:
F1 is the only motor racing I watch now, the others are very tedious to me.
Very funny, the f1 carnival at monaco a race? please load of ........

When GP2 cars are quicker than F1 cars something is very wrong IMHO and lewis - grow up