Clocks/dials
Clocks/dials
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TVRIK

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892 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Just checkin, if I buy some Smiths temp, oil pressure, fuel, and volts,
And connect em up,Will they work?

Rik

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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If you have the compatible senders they will work. Wrong sender wrong readings. You also need to make sure they are wired up correctly with good connections.

TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Hmmmm, sounds like trouble... Got a cracked Voltmeter, was gonna replace em all bar sped do and Revs, with some Smiths clocks.. Ah well

Cheers mate


RCK974X

2,521 posts

179 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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A comment from someone who has built quite a few kit cars....

It's actually amazing what range of senders there are, so there will be a Smiths compatible one out there somewhere, both fuel and temp. It is however sometimes a real quest to find the right one.

I used sets of Smiths gauges retrived from Triumphs (saloons and Dolomites) often, and found that they do work well.
I also used Smiths gauges with Ford engines, using a Triumph 2000 mk1 (I think) sender, which fits in Ford block.

I think that the fuel sender in my wedge (2.8, SW instruments) will work with a 'standard' Smiths fuel gauge, from checking its resistance when I repaired it, but don't know if all versions will. The temp gauge for my SW gauge appears to be different to the Smiths and Ford standards.

If using Smiths from Triumphs and BL, then you most likely WILL need a voltage regulator, as they are set for 10 volts. Ford standard gauges are 5 volts.

If you're really sneaky, you can fiddle with the supply volts, put resistors in series or parallel with the gauge and so on to trim the readings...an electronic voltage regulator costs pennies/cents to make, and can have one for each gauge.

Smiths Tachos often have a adjuster inside (a variable resistor), which can cover the range from 4 to 8 cylinders, so even an original 4 cyl tacho is OK.

Smiths speedos used to have their turns per mile printed on the edge of the fascia, the Ford standard was 1000 turns per mile, many BL cars were 1000, not sure about V8 wedges, but my 2.8 has "1000" written on outside body of my SW speedo, which I think is not just a coincidence.




TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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RCK974X said:
A comment from someone who has built quite a few kit cars....

It's actually amazing what range of senders there are, so there will be a Smiths compatible one out there somewhere, both fuel and temp. It is however sometimes a real quest to find the right one.

I used sets of Smiths gauges retrived from Triumphs (saloons and Dolomites) often, and found that they do work well.
I also used Smiths gauges with Ford engines, using a Triumph 2000 mk1 (I think) sender, which fits in Ford block.

I think that the fuel sender in my wedge (2.8, SW instruments) will work with a 'standard' Smiths fuel gauge, from checking its resistance when I repaired it, but don't know if all versions will. The temp gauge for my SW gauge appears to be different to the Smiths and Ford standards.

If using Smiths from Triumphs and BL, then you most likely WILL need a voltage regulator, as they are set for 10 volts. Ford standard gauges are 5 volts.

If you're really sneaky, you can fiddle with the supply volts, put resistors in series or parallel with the gauge and so on to trim the readings...an electronic voltage regulator costs pennies/cents to make, and can have one for each gauge.

Smiths Tachos often have a adjuster inside (a variable resistor), which can cover the range from 4 to 8 cylinders, so even an original 4 cyl tacho is OK.

Smiths speedos used to have their turns per mile printed on the edge of the fascia, the Ford standard was 1000 turns per mile, many BL cars were 1000, not sure about V8 wedges, but my 2.8 has "1000" written on outside body of my SW speedo, which I think is not just a coincidence.

Thanks Andy....,hmmm think I'll just get my existing ones looking better, sounds like I could be opening a can of worms!
:/

RCK974X

2,521 posts

179 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Fair enough, I just added that info to show it's do-able !!

Personally I hate my SW gauges, and much prefer the Smiths layout, so changing guages is on my "might do" list...

TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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RCK974X said:
Fair enough, I just added that info to show it's do-able !!

Personally I hate my SW gauges, and much prefer the Smiths layout, so changing guages is on my "might do" list...
Yeah I'm the same, got a thing for Smiths clocks.
I like the fact that use em in Minis and Astons
Almost a Classless clock!

I May have a go, when I've got the other billion things out the way!
smile

RCK974X

2,521 posts

179 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Yeah, I *really* like the 70's Triumph saloon look, I though they were truly beautiful with the wood dash.

But hey, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as they say.

TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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RCK974X said:
Yeah, I *really* like the 70's Triumph saloon look, I though they were truly beautiful with the wood dash.

But hey, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as they say.
Yeah my Bro had a Dolomite Sprint, always liked that segment dial that lit up different colours.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing!

RCK974X

2,521 posts

179 months

Wednesday 28th May 2014
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TVRIK said:
Yeah my Bro had a Dolomite Sprint, always liked that segment dial that lit up different colours.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing!
Yep, Nice.

Just a pity about the dodgy engine design, and even worse cooling system. Had a friend who bought one and within a month had to have the head off and skimmed after overheating, and he replaced the rad with a much bigger one, got high spec head gasket, which seemed to work, for a while at least.... He was always saying/wondering if he could squeeze a 2500 straight six in there....

TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Sunday 1st June 2014
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I switched my fuel gauge yesterday, with a Smiths, it works, but not reading wright, it's saying about an 1/8 full but there is at least £25.00id juice in..
So may have to start looking at senders.
To be fair the original VDO gauge says I have a quarter if a tank and it's empty, so that's never worked right anyway!

The other thing, I don't get, the Smiths oil pressure,it just has the one connection, no wires, but my existing has normal spade connector wires??

Rik

Edited by TVRIK on Sunday 1st June 09:53

RCK974X

2,521 posts

179 months

Sunday 1st June 2014
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TVRIK said:
I switched my fuel gauge yesterday, with a Smiths, it works, but not reading wright, it's saying about an 1/8 full but there is at least £25.00id juice in.. <snip>
The other thing, I don't get, the Smiths oil pressure,it just has the one connection, no wires, but my existing has normal spade connector wires??
Rik
The Smiths gauges are 'hotwire' deisgn, so the sender does not work linearly in the first place, so swopping to toher gauges may result in odd effects, like for example new one reads OK near full, but hopeless at near empty (or the other way round). It's down to collecting more data about the sender to be sure what to do.

Oil gauge - may be silly to say, but just in case - a lot of Smiths oil gauges had a pipe connection, and work by actual oil pressure from the block...it might be one of those ?


TVRIK

Original Poster:

892 posts

187 months

Sunday 1st June 2014
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Yeah it defiantly is the pipe one, just assumed they where all like that to be honest, ah well it's all fun and learning!