Will it add value or wreck it ?
Discussion
So yeah.... Been looking at options on FI on the R8 and am certain it would probably go down the DIY TT route instead of SC.
So would TT'ing the R8 and making it the only one here be something perspective buyers become wary of, or should it not really put people off ? I know modding a car doesnt add on the sale value in relation to expense so that's no an issue, I just don't want to TT it and then IF I decide to sell one day find that everyone steers clear of the 'unknown'
Thoughts ?
So would TT'ing the R8 and making it the only one here be something perspective buyers become wary of, or should it not really put people off ? I know modding a car doesnt add on the sale value in relation to expense so that's no an issue, I just don't want to TT it and then IF I decide to sell one day find that everyone steers clear of the 'unknown'
Thoughts ?
ARAF said:
As you're doing it yourself, then people will steer well clear until it is proven.
Once you get it to a few events, and people see what it can do, I think it will get the respect it deserves.
That goes without saying, I have done one NA to TT conversion that's had amazing results and still breaking records a year on. If I went to the expense and hastle of doing the R8 it wouldn't be for sale any time soon that's for sure Once you get it to a few events, and people see what it can do, I think it will get the respect it deserves.
Next question..
What sort of power is the stock fuel system good for ? I would like to aim for a moderate figure of mid to late 500's fly. Would stock fuel pump and injectors cope at that level ?
fastbikes76 said:
That goes without saying, I have done one NA to TT conversion that's had amazing results and still breaking records a year on. If I went to the expense and hastle of doing the R8 it wouldn't be for sale any time soon that's for sure
Next question..
What sort of power is the stock fuel system good for ? I would like to aim for a moderate figure of mid to late 500's fly. Would stock fuel pump and injectors cope at that level ?
Just had the upgraded fuel system fitted to my R8 as that was knocking the door of 500whp and running week. Only 8psi peak as well.Next question..
What sort of power is the stock fuel system good for ? I would like to aim for a moderate figure of mid to late 500's fly. Would stock fuel pump and injectors cope at that level ?
TT setup will take some doing, time and allot of mapping, do you have the ability, time and pockets....? if so stop posting and crack on as I'd love to see a setup!
EmmaJ said:
But you HAVE to TT the R8, worst case you remove the kit and sell it separately if you ever decide to sell up. You arguably make more back doing it that way too
There is that option too I guess, I would have too sacrifice a set of stock headers to weld on a adaptor flange for the turbo's. I haven't really looked properly underneath as too where I would fit them but will be going vaguely off the APS kit as a guide. So in theory yes most of it will unbolt too revert to stock should the need arise.I just need to find an ideal sized set of turbo's that flow enough CFM but don't make crazy power to far up the rev range. I would want something suitably sized to give around 550-600tops at 8-10psi. I see there is a kit for that Pontiac G8 that comes with 5876R's but they are rated to 1100hp ..somewhat more than I want lol.
I research stuff to death before doing anything so this wont be happening in a hurry. I will find out all the ins and outs and then start that parts stock piling ready for the big shove.
S800VXR said:
Just had the upgraded fuel system fitted to my R8 as that was knocking the door of 500whp and running week. Only 8psi peak as well.
TT setup will take some doing, time and allot of mapping, do you have the ability, time and pockets....? if so stop posting and crack on as I'd love to see a setup!
I have the ability yes. I TT'd my NA mitsi GTO on my drive at home, I am VERY mechanically minded and have tuned two cars which both run on methanol permanently in the fuel tanks ( not meth injection which I find pointless). I am very much into dyno'ing before and after every mod I do to prove results and gains..or disprove the nay sayers in some cases lol.TT setup will take some doing, time and allot of mapping, do you have the ability, time and pockets....? if so stop posting and crack on as I'd love to see a setup!
I would have to rely on someone else for the mapping on the R8 though as I'm more of a piggy back guy using SAFC's and ITC's etc. My friend owns Eurospec 2000 in Guildford who does my mapping on cars I cant as well as all my dynoing..in fact the R8 will be on his rollers next Sunday at a dyno day we having so I should have a nice base run on his 'heart breaker'
I know on every forum you get the 'talkers' ..I'm not one of them. I'm a talk it through and then DO it guy.
I thought about a TT setup but apart from the lack of a full workshop to do it the costs soon mount up to get a setup which does NOT look like the picture posted. The SC route is very proven, can give 800hp easily on a decent budget and will take weeks to put on.... That's the reasons why I also decided not to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Check out Jezz, harries, Emma's setups as allots gone into them including allot of money.
As for value.... Yes it needs public proving but it also needs to look very good under the bonnet. If you build it properly then it's hardly going to be a simple debolt job either.... and the cars going to be known to have had a strained engine beforehand....
As for value.... Yes it needs public proving but it also needs to look very good under the bonnet. If you build it properly then it's hardly going to be a simple debolt job either.... and the cars going to be known to have had a strained engine beforehand....
Fb76 was talking about doing this even before he'd bought his (wifes?????) VXR8. My first comment was also that it's too expensive, and a lot more hassle than the pd brick route. However, what he's done on his GTO suggests he has the skill to do a DIY build, and so I wish him well.
The talk of a stressed engine is a bit premature. My opinion is that a good low-pressure turbo set-up with similar power to a TVS2300 will stress the engine and drivetrain less than the TVS for the same power - because of the way it makes that power. It's more like a centri.
I don't think we are talking about a fire breathing monster - he bought the VXR8 so he doesn't have to carry methanol everywhere. My only concern is changing the engine characteristics of the standard car.
The talk of a stressed engine is a bit premature. My opinion is that a good low-pressure turbo set-up with similar power to a TVS2300 will stress the engine and drivetrain less than the TVS for the same power - because of the way it makes that power. It's more like a centri.
I don't think we are talking about a fire breathing monster - he bought the VXR8 so he doesn't have to carry methanol everywhere. My only concern is changing the engine characteristics of the standard car.
Whipple now have a 2900cc kit for the VF series. Its quite likley that it will also fit the VE stuff.
Its a front intake model.
http://www.ssforums.com/forum/208394-post19.html
Just about anything you bolt on will give you 600bhp. Mine is over that NA.
Cam the PD stuff to reduce low end torque and raise higher rpm power. You can get more power than most guys here easily as they only use small cams for the most part. Though Gary is going down that route now with quite a large cam. I suspect he is encountering some expected challenges with low speed and off idle tuning with it at present so you need to find someone who knows how to sort that out.
Its a front intake model.
http://www.ssforums.com/forum/208394-post19.html
Just about anything you bolt on will give you 600bhp. Mine is over that NA.
Cam the PD stuff to reduce low end torque and raise higher rpm power. You can get more power than most guys here easily as they only use small cams for the most part. Though Gary is going down that route now with quite a large cam. I suspect he is encountering some expected challenges with low speed and off idle tuning with it at present so you need to find someone who knows how to sort that out.
For what its worth....as far as producing power is concerned s/c is cheaper and easier up to a point....you t/c when you want to go beyond that point or because you just want a t/c build....either way, IMO, its not a value for money exercise, its a value for fun exercise....if you like that kind of fun!
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