Rover gauge virgin, Help
Rover gauge virgin, Help
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l6rth

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452 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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Hi all,

Just taken the car out for a run connected to rover gauge, which I can't seem to get to log so that's issue 1.

Issue 2 is it has logged a fault, how do I find out what this is?

Issue 3 idle rpm is 1154 how do I lower this?

Other readings which maybe related to the fault,

It's running map 5, I have fully defatted so am wondering if I can change it to use map 2 for uk non cat cars? Maf 6% throttle position at idle 21% idle bypass 24% idle mode target rpm 906
Lambada trim odd -55% even is -100%
Fuel pump relay ok injector duty cycle 5%

If I could log I could see what these items are doing and gain more info, I know the maf % rises during driving presuming this means it's ok?
The lambada bars move but evens always seem to be misused more than odds but always stay in minus

It smells quiet fuel heavy if that helps any?

All help/advice with any of this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Rob

l6rth

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452 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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More info to add to above, opened the fault code display and found the following but not sure if these are current or have ever been cleared.

All below have black dots beside
(29) ecu checksum error
(45) lambada sensor (odd)
(44) lambada sensor (even)
(50) misfire odd
(40) misfire even
(21) tune resistor out of range
(34) injector bank odd
(36) injector bank even
(14) coolant temp sensor
(17) throttle pot
(18) throttle pot hi / MAF lo
(19) throttle pot lo / MAF hi
(88) purge valve leak
(26) mixture to lean
(28) intake air leak
(23) low fuel pressure
(48) idle control stepper motor
(68) road speed sensor
(69) neutral gear selector switch
(58) ambiguous low fuel pressure or air leak
(15) fuel temp sensor
(02) RAM content unreliable ( battery disconnected)
(03) bad checksum on battery backed ram

Only one with red by it is (12) MAF

Should I clear these codes and run it again?
Should I rest the ecu by disconnecting and re connect then run and read again?

Thanks again

blitzracing

6,422 posts

250 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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1) The logging function needs RG to be run from hard drive, not CD, as it cant write the log files to the CD.
2) Fault codes are recorded under options- show fault codes
3) Target idle is set by the ECU- you cant change it- it will be raised if the engine is cold, or if the ECU is not in idle mode (ie it thinks the cars moving)- a green idle indicator should be on if the car is idling, and the target and actual RPM should be close. If its not in idle mode when the car is still you have a throttle pot setting wrong, or a speed signal input when the car is not moving.
4) Trim values- theses should not ba at 100%- and if its one bank it could just be a dead lambda probe- check the fault codes.
5) The cat map is fine- its TVR specific and you dont want to run the green tune as its likely to be a Range Rover map.

There are full instructions on the CD supplied- the paperwork with the cable is just to get you started.

blitzracing

6,422 posts

250 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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l6rth said:
More info to add to above, opened the fault code display and found the following but not sure if these are current or have ever been cleared.

All below have black dots beside
(29) ecu checksum error
(45) lambada sensor (odd)
(44) lambada sensor (even)
(50) misfire odd
(40) misfire even
(21) tune resistor out of range
(34) injector bank odd
(36) injector bank even
(14) coolant temp sensor
(17) throttle pot
(18) throttle pot hi / MAF lo
(19) throttle pot lo / MAF hi
(88) purge valve leak
(26) mixture to lean
(28) intake air leak
(23) low fuel pressure
(48) idle control stepper motor
(68) road speed sensor
(69) neutral gear selector switch
(58) ambiguous low fuel pressure or air leak
(15) fuel temp sensor
(02) RAM content unreliable ( battery disconnected)
(03) bad checksum on battery backed ram

Only one with red by it is (12) MAF

Should I clear these codes and run it again?
Should I rest the ecu by disconnecting and re connect then run and read again?

Thanks again
Only the MAF is an error code- so yes reset (or unplug the ECU) it and run it again as there is no timestamps on the error codes, so this could have been at any time.

l6rth

Original Poster:

452 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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Thanks for helping me so much today mark, I now have software installed to laptop will unplug ecu and read the instructions etc.

Thanks

Rob

l6rth

Original Poster:

452 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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All dots now black inc 12 MAF but they are all still there which I'm hoping means they are all ok? Still ticking over way to high

l6rth

Original Poster:

452 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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My st log using rovergauge,if someone with more knowledge than me could take a look and tell me if there is any obvious issues I would appreciate it, the only thing I noticed from talking to Blitz is the lambadas are well over the -100% which I can only assume bad if the gauge only goes to -100%, this is not all of it but couldn't fit it all in

thanks in advance:
time,roadSpeed,engineSpeed,waterTemp,fuelTemp,throttlePos,mafPercentage,idleBypassPos,mainVoltage,currentFuelMapIndex,currentFuelMapRow,currentFuelMapCol,targetIdle,lambdaTrimOdd,lambdaTrimEven,pulseWidthMs
11:20:29.548,0,1233,43,38,0.217009,0.070561,0.388889,13.63,5,1,6,1006,0,0,3.695
11:20:30.099,0,1205,43,38,0.217986,0.0708502,0.388889,13.63,5,2,6,1006,0,0,3.
11:22:04.079,36,2342,57,26,0.205279,0.0721226,0.333333,13.77,5,0,9,956,-205,-255,2.134
11:22:04.722,36,1860,60,26,0.207234,0.0813765,0.327778,13.77,5,1,8,956,-235,-256,2.529
11:22:05.281,36,1848,60,26,0.256109,0.109485,0.327778,13.77,5,2,8,956,-256,-256,4.187
11:22:05.776,36,1908,60,26,0.305963,0.167206,0.322222,13.77,5,3,8,956,-254,-256,4.348
11:22:06.450,35,2082,61,26,0.358749,0.222441,0.316667,13.77,5,4,9,956,-165,-176,5.415
11:22:06.994,35,2318,61,26,0.380254,0.253094,0.316667,13.77,5,4,9,956,-143,-162,5.325
11:22:07.535,35,2532,61,26,0.383187,0.27461,0.316667,13.77,5,4,9,956,-62,-129,4.958
11:22:08.178,35,2557,62,26,0.218964,0.0768074,0.316667,13.77,5,0,9,956,-163,-220,1.883
11:22:08.753,36,1951,62,25,0.218964,0.0805668,0.311111,13.77,5,1,8,956,-111,-256,2.524
11:22:09.294,36,1802,62,25,0.239492,0.100694,0.311111,13.77,5,1,7,956,-199,-256,2.968
11:22:09.934,36,1818,62,25,0.28348,0.142337,0.311111,13.77,5,3,8,956,-231,-256,4.493
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11:22:13.950,35,2169,62,25,0.311828,0.189763,0.311111,13.77,5,3,9,956,-235,-256,4.217
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11:22:15.709,35,1674,63,25,0.221896,0.0763447,0.305556,13.77,5,1,7,938,-144,-256,2.678
11:22:16.252,35,1626,63,25,0.221896,0.0917872,0.305556,13.77,5,1,7,938,-237,-256,2.829
11:22:16.894,36,1606,63,25,0.256109,0.117929,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,938,-191,-256,3.692
11:22:17.437,36,1617,63,25,0.272727,0.138982,0.305556,13.77,5,3,7,938,-256,-256,3.912
11:22:17.997,35,1623,63,25,0.278592,0.144592,0.305556,13.77,5,3,7,938,-238,-256,4.079
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11:22:19.195,35,1657,63,25,0.27957,0.148409,0.305556,13.77,5,3,7,936,-256,-256,3.982
11:22:19.691,35,1684,63,25,0.27957,0.144939,0.3,13.77,5,3,7,936,-238,-256,3.985
11:22:20.364,36,1697,65,24,0.27957,0.147947,0.3,13.77,5,3,8,936,-190,-256,4.255
11:22:20.907,36,1696,65,24,0.27957,0.151938,0.3,13.77,5,3,7,936,-256,-256,4.16
11:22:21.452,35,1727,65,24,0.280547,0.147947,0.3,13.77,5,3,7,936,-245,-256,3.943
11:22:22.091,35,1721,65,24,0.280547,0.146327,0.3,13.77,5,2,7,936,-189,-256,3.72
11:22:22.669,36,1742,65,24,0.27957,0.112319,0.3,13.77,5,2,7,936,-256,-256,3.086
11:22:23.208,36,1723,65,24,0.27957,0.112319,0.3,13.77,5,2,7,936,-256,-256,3.099
11:22:23.851,35,1713,65,24,0.27957,0.111336,0.3,13.77,5,2,7,936,-183,-256,3.087
11:22:24.395,35,1695,65,24,0.27957,0.112666,0.3,13.77,5,2,7,938,-256,-256,3.116
11:22:24.955,35,1676,65,24,0.27957,0.110989,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,938,-244,-256,3.188
11:22:25.596,35,1684,63,24,0.27957,0.113592,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,938,-192,-256,3.226
11:22:26.154,35,1655,63,24,0.27957,0.112898,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,938,-243,-256,3.212
11:22:26.651,35,1654,63,24,0.27957,0.117235,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,940,-183,-256,3.576
11:22:27.324,36,1660,63,24,0.27957,0.127588,0.305556,13.77,5,2,7,940,-254,-256,3.627
11:22:27.868,36,1656,63,24,0.282502,0.15026,0.305556,13.77,5,3,7,942,-238,-244,4.129
11:22:28.412,35,1667,63,24,0.284457,0.151938,0.311111,13.77,5,3,7,942,-186,-256,4.357
11:22:29.051,35,1686,61,24,0.284457,0.154482,0.311111,13.77,5,3,7,942,-254,-256,4.05
11:22:29.626,35,1740,61,24,0.284457,0.151012,0.316667,13.77,5,3,7,944,-247,-256,4.018
11:22:30.170,35,1728,61,24,0.284457,0.153094,0.316667,13.77,5,3,7,944,-180,-256,4.043
11:22:30.810,35,1749,61,24,0.284457,0.154482,0.316667,13.77,5,3,7,944,-256,-256,4.174
11:22:31.354,35,1778,61,24,0.284457,0.156969,0.316667,13.77,5,3,8,944,-249,-256,3.932
11:22:31.913,35,1801,61,24,0.284457,0.156217,0.316667,13.77,5,3,8,944,-178,-256,3.883
11:22:32.553,35,1822,60,24,0.284457,0.15587,0.316667,13.77,5,3,8,944,-256,-256,3.891
11:22:33.113,35,1860,60,24,0.284457,0.15587,0.322222,13.77,5,1,8,944,-256,-256,2.52
11:22:33.611,35,2747,60,24,0.204301,0.0828803,0.327778,13.77,5,0,9,944,-251,-256,2.054
11:22:34.283,35,2450,59,23,0.250244,0.108791,0.322222,13.77,5,1,9,944,-245,-256,2.779
11:22:34.826,35,2416,59,23,0.308895,0.181839,0.327778,13.77,5,3,9,944,-256,-256,4.308
11:22:35.371,35,2485,59,23,0.400782,0.300058,0.327778,13.77,5,5,9,944,-244,-256,7.366
11:22:36.012,35,2644,58,23,0.615836,0.420995,0.327778,13.77,5,6,9,944,-256,-256,8.307
11:22:36.587,36,2918,58,23,0.856305,0.501851,0.333333,13.77,5,7,10,944,0,0,10.797
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11:22:37.771,35,3351,57,23,0.939394,0.592366,0.333333,13.77,5,7,11,944,0,0,9.625
11:22:38.314,35,3614,57,23,0.939394,0.647253,0.338889,13.77,5,7,11,944,0,0,9.695
11:22:38.874,35,3856,57,23,0.913001,0.691093,0.338889,13.77,5,3,12,944,0,0,2.521
11:22:39.517,35,2967,58,23,0.205279,0.0824176,0.338889,13.77,5,0,10,944,-24,-25,2.169
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11:22:40.572,36,2794,58,23,0.338221,0.213302,0.333333,13.77,5,3,10,944,-51,-136,4.685
11:22:41.245,35,2818,58,23,0.393939,0.291556,0.333333,13.77,5,4,10,944,-97,-182,6.215
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11:23:05.604,34,1292,65,22,0.206256,0.0657606,0.294444,13.77,5,1,6,934,-218,-256,2.679
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11:23:06.707,36,1287,65,22,0.206256,0.0654135,0.294444,13.63,5,1,6,934,-223,-256,2.757
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11:23:09.077,15,1138,66,22,0.224829,0.0791787,0.294444,13.77,5,2,5,934,-221,-256,4.122
11:23:09.620,15,800,66,22,0.241447,0.0883169,0.294444,13.77,5,3,4,932,-233,-256,4.662
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blitzracing

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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You really dont need the data logging for this- far to much info'. For a raised idle check:

Target RPM- is this higher than around 850 rpm on a warm engine?
Are the target and idle speed near the same?
Idle mode- is this green or Red?
Throttle pot reading- is this less than 10% (direct) at idle.
Do you have a speedo reading when the car is stationary?
Stepper motor position- should be around 30-50 %

It may not be ECU related- air leaks will cause a raised idle as well- and you may see a wrong stepper motor value if this is the case.

l6rth

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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Please see added answers

blitzracing said:
You really dont need the data logging for this- far to much info'. For a raised idle check: Just wanted to show the way lambadas were acting at different rpms

Target RPM- is this higher than around 850 rpm on a warm engine? 906rpm
Are the target and idle speed near the same? around 1150
Idle mode- is this green or Red? green
Throttle pot reading- is this less than 10% (direct) at idle. 21%
Do you have a speedo reading when the car is stationary? No but it does not register until 15-20 mph
Stepper motor position- should be around 30-50 % this is 36%

It may not be ECU related- air leaks will cause a raised idle as well- and you may see a wrong stepper motor value if this is the case.


I have checked using easy start for leaks around the plenum chamber, anywhere else I should check?

blitzracing

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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Confused- the target is 906- yet its at 1150? The throttle pot reading is too high- it needs to be lower so the ECU does not think the car is being driven- it should self calibrate, but try loosening the screws that holds it in place and see if you can twist it a bit to reduce the reading to 5- 10 %- the early throttle pots have elongated holes, but the later ones dont. You can remove the throttle pot and elongate the holes to allow it to twist if needs be. The rest of the readings are good. You can also try moving the stepper motor under the options menu- idle air control. Try adding 30 stepper pulses with the engine running and see if the RPM drops-- if it drops then raises its an ECU input that is wrong, not a stuck stepper or air leak.

l6rth

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Mark, screwed in the throttle pot now it idles at 950ish so that's ok but to get it to do that I had to screw it in all the way, I tried loosening it but that made it idle at 1400, didn't do the stepper adjustment because of this. Is this ok to do?

blitzracing

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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It sounds like like you are getting the throttle pot mixed up with the idle bypass screw(?). The throttle pot is a black plastic item on the side of the plenum held in with two small screws and three wires coming from it. The idle bypass is a hex headed grub screw in the plenum body. Thinking about it logically- your throttle pot is too high, either its in the wrong position, or the throttle plate is not closing correctly if you have to wind the idle bypass screw down? Take off the air pipe from the AFM to plenum, and look at the throttle plate- it should only have a very small air gap at the base (.05mm!). This is factory set- Is something holding it open a bit (carbon ?). If its shut OK- then you need to rotate the throttle pot by what ever means to get the RoverGauge reading below 10%. By winding down the idle bypass screw you are simply reducing the available air and idle. Its not the end of the world if it works, but its not working as it should.

l6rth

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Thanks again mark, I will investigate tomorrow and post if I have any problems or questions.

l6rth

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Meant to say, as you have seen on my post how the car is running do you think it's safe enough to run on a rolling road to check the bhp?

blitzracing

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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Looks like you have a lambda issue on the even bank- a lot of 256's in there (ie max'ed out). You need to check both the long and short term trim again after the ECU reset. There is no point in rolling roading it if the mixture is not under control below 3400 rpm.

l6rth

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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If it's still high after re running both short and long term do I just have to replace the lambda sensors, there is no other Reason for that particular fault?

blitzracing

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Sunday 1st June 2014
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The lambda probes may be OK, it could be something else- First get the car warm, then reset the ECU (Unplug it and replug it). Then plug in RG and look at the long term trim- both should be at 0 to start with. Let the car idle for about 3 mins and you should see the trim values reset themselves over this period- as long as they settle at less than 100%- then fine. Then check the short term trim, that both are cycling around the mid point at around the same rate- typically around 1 second at idle.

If they are not:

A dead or failing probe is likely to show up 100% adding long term fuel trim. If its really dead it will throw a fault code- but if its working a bit it wont. You can always swap probes between sides and see if the fault moves (reset as above after moving them).

Otherwise high adding fuel trim can be down to a misfire on that side- so does it idle well? It could be a plug / lead / cap on one side.

l6rth

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452 posts

193 months

Sunday 1st June 2014
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Hi mark,

Done what you said and logged, on long term the lambda' didn't move from 0 on either side one, then switched to short term and odd side was from 98-170 but mostly over 100 and even from 160-260 ish all the time, it ticks over well like any other lumpy v8 I think. This mean they are both faulty? If I can't find a loose connection etc? It does smell of fuel quiet a lot.

Thanks

Rob

blitzracing

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250 months

Sunday 1st June 2014
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The long term trim wont reset is the engine is not warm enough (above about 90'C) or its not at idle- due to you raised throttle pot reading from yesterday, its possible the ECU thinks the car is being driven, so it wont set the trim. The short term will be out by a long way if it cant set the long term. You need to find out why the throttle pot reading is so high. You will find how to set it up about of 1/4 of the way down the page here:

http://www.g33.co.uk/fuel_injection.htm

But as I said yesterday- check your throttle plate is shutting correctly as well.

Sorry for confusing the settings- a reading of 255 / 6 is as far as it can go or 100%- so 170 would be about 70%, but you need to get the long term trim working.

l6rth

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452 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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Investigated the butterfly and it seems to be closing properly no problem but I wiped a rag round as best I could just in case , I did discover the elbow jubilee clip was loose for some reason so that is now tight I then ran the car and logged when warm but the even lambda although not as bad is still registering in the 200s, the throttle pot is still at 21% but if I press corrected it runs at 11%. Did not however rest the ecu so I am going to try that tomorrow but I was just wondering would it be registering 200s from memory when last run? Still smells bad with fuel.