another Cerb Vs Tuscan
Discussion
sorry for another thread on this, as there is one on the tuscan threads:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
would appreciate more thoughts from cerb owners
went over to ash vale today to test 2 cars in standard set-up
ive owned numerous low volume and fibreglass cars
and i really enjoyed both of these TVRs!
The tuscan mk1 felt easy to drive. The power steering maybe even a little too light, and lacks some feel. The clutch was extremely light, which is a big plus for me.
driving position good, with a place to rest your left foot, but i found that the console below the steering would interfere with my left knee, also made worse by the pedals being slightly offset to the right. shame that the column has no adjustment for reach
Cerbera 4.2, sounded absolutely amazing (decat) and interior more claustrophobic, but i felt more lateral support round corners than in the tuscan. Clutch was a little heavier (no place for resting L foot), but overall driving position (im 6ft) felt better. Steering had more feel than the tuscan.
handing, i suppose would come down to suspension and set-up, as i would want to upgrade to nitrons or similar anyway.
Overall a very hard choice, possibly prefer the more understated looks of the cerb.
Could the handling of the cerbera be improved to match the tuscan? Fell the tuscan may be a bit sharper on track, and i do like nimble cars
Is it normal for the cerb clutch to feel heavier than the tuscans? as this is a concern for me.
i would expect the cerb to have more niggles, and possibly higher maintenance costs
heart says cerb, head says tuscan
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
would appreciate more thoughts from cerb owners
went over to ash vale today to test 2 cars in standard set-up
ive owned numerous low volume and fibreglass cars
and i really enjoyed both of these TVRs!
The tuscan mk1 felt easy to drive. The power steering maybe even a little too light, and lacks some feel. The clutch was extremely light, which is a big plus for me.
driving position good, with a place to rest your left foot, but i found that the console below the steering would interfere with my left knee, also made worse by the pedals being slightly offset to the right. shame that the column has no adjustment for reach
Cerbera 4.2, sounded absolutely amazing (decat) and interior more claustrophobic, but i felt more lateral support round corners than in the tuscan. Clutch was a little heavier (no place for resting L foot), but overall driving position (im 6ft) felt better. Steering had more feel than the tuscan.
handing, i suppose would come down to suspension and set-up, as i would want to upgrade to nitrons or similar anyway.
Overall a very hard choice, possibly prefer the more understated looks of the cerb.
Could the handling of the cerbera be improved to match the tuscan? Fell the tuscan may be a bit sharper on track, and i do like nimble cars
Is it normal for the cerb clutch to feel heavier than the tuscans? as this is a concern for me.
i would expect the cerb to have more niggles, and possibly higher maintenance costs
heart says cerb, head says tuscan
Difficult one to answer really, I have a Cerbera and very good friend down the road has a Tuscan Mkii.
Both are running on Nitrons but the Cerb is the more forgiving in the handling stakes and is faster round a track as a result.
I find the Mki Cerbera seats more comfortable than the Tuscans, and I do like the roof on the Tuscan.
Tuscan gets more looks from passers by than the Cerbera, it is a more striking shape I suppose.
Overall I would stick with the Cerbera.
Both are running on Nitrons but the Cerb is the more forgiving in the handling stakes and is faster round a track as a result.
I find the Mki Cerbera seats more comfortable than the Tuscans, and I do like the roof on the Tuscan.
Tuscan gets more looks from passers by than the Cerbera, it is a more striking shape I suppose.
Overall I would stick with the Cerbera.
thanks Gruffalo, did i see your cerb at the Ace a couple months ago? (i was in ginetta G4)
would i be right in saying a pre 2001 tuscan has same steering set-up as the cerb?
the tuscan i drove was a mk1 2003, so may account for the very light steering feel
Running costs, i would expect the cerb to be more due to age and more electrics, but assuming the engine and clutch sorted, why do the running costs on them seem to be much higher?
would i be right in saying a pre 2001 tuscan has same steering set-up as the cerb?
the tuscan i drove was a mk1 2003, so may account for the very light steering feel
Running costs, i would expect the cerb to be more due to age and more electrics, but assuming the engine and clutch sorted, why do the running costs on them seem to be much higher?
geeeman said:
thanks Gruffalo, did i see your cerb at the Ace a couple months ago? (i was in ginetta G4)
would i be right in saying a pre 2001 tuscan has same steering set-up as the cerb?
the tuscan i drove was a mk1 2003, so may account for the very light steering feel
Running costs, i would expect the cerb to be more due to age and more electrics, but assuming the engine and clutch sorted, why do the running costs on them seem to be much higher?
The AJP is a pain to work on, just changing the plugs and leads can take ages, and the wiring is a little quirky.would i be right in saying a pre 2001 tuscan has same steering set-up as the cerb?
the tuscan i drove was a mk1 2003, so may account for the very light steering feel
Running costs, i would expect the cerb to be more due to age and more electrics, but assuming the engine and clutch sorted, why do the running costs on them seem to be much higher?
TimJM said:
gruffalo said:
The AJP is a pain to work on, just changing the plugs and leads can take ages, and the wiring is a little quirky.
Is that a 4.2 you are talking about? The 4.5 is a very easy engine to work on even maintenance (plugs etc. are easily accessible).Tanguero said:
TimJM said:
gruffalo said:
The AJP is a pain to work on, just changing the plugs and leads can take ages, and the wiring is a little quirky.
Is that a 4.2 you are talking about? The 4.5 is a very easy engine to work on even maintenance (plugs etc. are easily accessible).Mine is a 4.5 with an ACT manifold and changing the leads is a pain.
Hmmm, I'd have thought the two were a bit easier to tell apart...
My experience -
'03 Tuscan - twitchy little bugger, so sharp you can easily cut yourself, tiresome at speed on the open road, very chuckable & great fun on minor roads, awkward pedal box & offset
'98 Cerb 4.5 - feels very stable at speed, not nearly as prone to run after road cambers etc as the Tuscan, steering is quick but works beautifully with the longer wheelbase to give the right amount of agility, pillarbox vision out the windscreen, driving position pedals feel completely normal.
Both on OE wheels (18" Spider for the Tuscan, 17" RL7s for the Cerbera) and unmodified otherwise...
My experience -
'03 Tuscan - twitchy little bugger, so sharp you can easily cut yourself, tiresome at speed on the open road, very chuckable & great fun on minor roads, awkward pedal box & offset
'98 Cerb 4.5 - feels very stable at speed, not nearly as prone to run after road cambers etc as the Tuscan, steering is quick but works beautifully with the longer wheelbase to give the right amount of agility, pillarbox vision out the windscreen, driving position pedals feel completely normal.
Both on OE wheels (18" Spider for the Tuscan, 17" RL7s for the Cerbera) and unmodified otherwise...
Ignoring the fact that you can get the Speed Six in the Cerbera for a moment - does either the Speed Six or the AJP8 hold greater appeal to you than the other?
If you don't want a Speed Six then you need a V8 Cerb. If you don't want an AJP8, then you still have a choice of Tuscan or Cerb S6.
If you don't want a Speed Six then you need a V8 Cerb. If you don't want an AJP8, then you still have a choice of Tuscan or Cerb S6.
jamieduff1981 said:
Ignoring the fact that you can get the Speed Six in the Cerbera for a moment - does either the Speed Six or the AJP8 hold greater appeal to you than the other?
If you don't want a Speed Six then you need a V8 Cerb. If you don't want an AJP8, then you still have a choice of Tuscan or Cerb S6.
when i drove them i loved the character of both engines, maybe the v8 sounded a bit better.. they are both great and couldnt exclude the s6If you don't want a Speed Six then you need a V8 Cerb. If you don't want an AJP8, then you still have a choice of Tuscan or Cerb S6.
one bonus for the s6 is that many seem to have had full rebuild while the v8s havnt (maybe wrong on that)
That's a fair assertion. The V8s haven't really needed rebuilding although top end rebuilds are eventually necessary for most at higher milages due to inlet valve clearances. I honestly wouldn't let that sort of thing sway me either way though. The two engines are great but have very different characters.
The Tuscan and Cerbera have very different characters.
The Tuscan and Cerbera have very different characters.
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