BMW RWD Sideways

[161BMW]

Which is the best BMW do learn about going sideways and RWD and WHY ?
Do I need LSD ?

[rallycross]

You need and LSD to stop the inside wheel spinning all the power away ( the LSD helps you start the oversteer and then keep it sliding).

An old banger 525 sport manual E34 is a good starting point, LSD, slow steering, long wheel base, plenty of power.

[AudiSport]

Any RWD BMW and a wet surface away from the public roads will be fine. However you want a more direct answer, an E46 M3 in manual.

This thread may not go as you had planned though...

[AudiSport]

Old M5...

[KM666]

You can have a go in an E36 BMW at the skid pan up at Castle Combe. £90 and lasts about 3 1/2 hours. (You also get to drive a rover 200) Great fun, you don't ruin your own car and you get to see how bad the pedal layout is before buying.

Edited by KM666 on Tuesday 3rd June 21:35

[Synchromesh]

E36 (preferably a 6-pot) + ditchfinders + a wet roundabout at 3am = worked for me!

[Buff Mchugelarge]

Synchromesh said:

E36 (preferably a 6-pot) + ditchfinders + a wet roundabout at 3am = worked for me!

That. In nutshell.
323i coupe linlgongs on the back away you go!

[161BMW]

Is it better to learn going sideways with or without LSD ?

[rallycross]

161BMW said:

Is it better to learn going sideways with or without LSD ?

your not going sideways for very far without an lsd or welded diff, anyone who claims they did without one havent a clue what they are talking about.

[joema]

328 with a welded diff

My M3 is a lot harder than a standard 3series. Torque is all up high so you need to commit a lot where as a 328' nice low down torque.

[161BMW]

joema said:

328 with a welded diff

My M3 is a lot harder than a standard 3series. Torque is all up high so you need to commit a lot where as a 328' nice low down torque.

M3 has 3.2 litre engine so more torque

[161BMW]

joema said:

328 with a welded diff

My M3 is a lot harder than a standard 3series. Torque is all up high so you need to commit a lot where as a 328' nice low down torque.

M3 has 3.2 litre engine so more torque

[imagineifyeswill]

323i with worn rear suspension bushes, youll soon learn about going sideways.

[Gruber]

You've already got the CS, OP, so use that.

Longer wheelbases are easier to learn in than shorter - my current 1er is much snappier than the old 635, for example, which was gloriously predictable - but the e46 will go sideways very easily and controllably.

ETA: just to prove the point, a little bit of CSL drifting to whet the appetite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHvsPggHEBk

Edited by Gruber on Tuesday 3rd June 22:32

[161BMW]

Saving the CS from any abuse

Was wondering how good E30 325i is for tail malarkey ?

[RWD cossie wil]

161BMW said:

Saving the CS from any abuse

Was wondering how good E30 325i is for tail malarkey ?

One of the best!

[Boobonman]

rallycross said:

161BMW said:

Is it better to learn going sideways with or without LSD ?

your not going sideways for very far without an lsd or welded diff, anyone who claims they did without one havent a clue what they are talking about.

Rubbish.

Have looked out the side window of many an open diffed chariot.

Not as sustainable maybe, but very do-able all the same.

[V8forweekends]

Boobonman said:

Rubbish.

Have looked out the side window of many an open diffed chariot.

Not as sustainable maybe, but very do-able all the same.

+1 my 1972 Escort Van was great at sideways without a fancy diff.

[Synchromesh]

rallycross said:

your not going sideways for very far without an lsd or welded diff, anyone who claims they did without one havent a clue what they are talking about.

Disputed! You can lap a wet roundabout with a proper angle on in an open diff'd E36 'til the canvas comes through the tyres. Anyone who claims you can't clearly hasn't tried.

In the dry, another matter though. This is when the LSD is needed for sidewaysness.

[jc84]

Assuming you currently have a BMW OP, which model is it? They will all drift under the right circumstances. A lot depends on how committed you are.