Does this merit 6 weeks in prison?
Does this merit 6 weeks in prison?
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Magog

Original Poster:

2,653 posts

220 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Sorry for the Mirror link, but the BBC won't print exactly what he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27696446
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ann-maguire-f...

Clearly the blokes a fairly pathetic specimen, but is it really right to criminalize him and impose a prison sentence?

tex200

447 posts

202 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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seems pretty fair to me.

benters

1,459 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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6 weeks is too short. . .

selym

9,581 posts

202 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Why not.

dingg

4,566 posts

250 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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I don't think it merits a jail sentence

heavy fine and suspended sentence is more than enough IMO

(no sympathy for the offender just think its not a 'real crime' )

BJG1

5,966 posts

243 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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It should never have led to a case being brought to court, or indeed an arrest. He said: "Personally, I'm glad that teacher got stabbed up. Feel sorry for the kid. He should have pissed on her too."

It's a disgusting thing to say, People should think he's absolute scum for saying it, if I were his friend, I'd no longer be but that should be where the line is drawn. You can't lock people up for causing offence, it's a real slippery slope from here. I'm sure dozens said something like that and there'll have been plenty of jokes sent via text message about it - you can't lock everyone up for stuff like that.

To put it another way, if I said "I wish this disgusting individual was stoned to death" should I go to prison? Because what I've said there is worse, if anything, than what he's said.

eddrevhen

65 posts

150 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Why not? Might teach him some valuable life lessons IE you need to watch what you say as Im sure he wont be so gobby inside. He might even have a shave the scruffy TW@.

Snowboy

8,028 posts

182 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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I only read the BBC article.

What wasn't clear was where it was posted on Facebook.
Facebook is a mix of private and public areas.

There are areas where this sort if comment should result in a jail sentence and areas where it should not.

If it was posted on his personal secured page or a closed friends group it's a sentencing mistake.
If he posted on a memorial page or a school discussion group or on someone else's wall then it's justified punishment.

Eclassy

1,201 posts

153 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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BJG1 said:
It should never have led to a case being brought to court, or indeed an arrest. He said: "Personally, I'm glad that teacher got stabbed up. Feel sorry for the kid. He should have pissed on her too."

It's a disgusting thing to say, People should think he's absolute scum for saying it, if I were his friend, I'd no longer be but that should be where the line is drawn. You can't lock people up for causing offence, it's a real slippery slope from here. I'm sure dozens said something like that and there'll have been plenty of jokes sent via text message about it - you can't lock everyone up for stuff like that.

To put it another way, if I said "I wish this disgusting individual was stoned to death" should I go to prison? Because what I've said there is worse, if anything, than what he's said.
Spot on. This is what gets me really annoyed. The police have the time to go about arresting and charging people for issues like this and even when a poor hungry and unemployed chap killed one of the Queen's swan and had it for dinner but then claim they do not have resources to deal with real crime.

Why wasnt Clarkson arrested, charged and convicted when he said Tube strikers should be taken outside and shot or why are all the islamic fanatics with not very nice messages on placards not arrsted, charged and convicted?

It was the same when that chap in Manchester wore a ''one less pcensoredg'' t shirt after the one eyed criminal murdered those 2 female officers.

chr15b

3,467 posts

221 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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yes, these people need to learn that this will not be tolerated in our society.

Dave Hedgehog

16,371 posts

235 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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chr15b said:
yes, these people need to learn that this will not be tolerated in our society.
Yep, everyone one will comply, individuality and self thought is illegal

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

189 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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He's a vile piece of scum but putting him in prison helps nobody, except to satisfy an urge for revenge.

Community service would be better.

Eclassy

1,201 posts

153 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Snowboy said:
If it was posted on his personal secured page or a closed friends group it's a sentencing mistake.
If he posted on a memorial page or a school discussion group or on someone else's wall then it's justified punishment.
I agree with this.

Koofler

616 posts

197 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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He should be stabbed and pissed on.

otolith

69,666 posts

235 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Much as I think he's a disgusting little turd, I don't think we should be putting people in prison for what they say.

selym

9,581 posts

202 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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otolith said:
Much as I think he's a disgusting little turd, I don't think we should be putting people in prison for what they say.
So, if someone suggested he was a paedophile and that stuck, would it be ok?

Lost soul

8,712 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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benters said:
6 weeks is too short. . .
yes

budgie smuggler

6,087 posts

190 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Snowboy said:
If it was posted on his personal secured page or a closed friends group it's a sentencing mistake.
If he posted on a memorial page or a school discussion group or on someone else's wall then it's justified punishment.
I agree with the sentiment, but would prefer a community service sentence. 6 weeks scraping chewing gum off the pavements and picking up litter would be a lot more use than being locked up in a cell.

benters

1,459 posts

165 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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so for all those that think he shouldn't be charged, jailed, investigated or told to do Community service I assume your view is the same for those two who laughed at the murder of soldier Lee Rigby ?

0000

13,966 posts

222 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
He's a vile piece of scum but putting him in prison helps nobody, except to satisfy an urge for revenge.

Community service would be better.
Agreed. It was a horrific thing to say, but what's the point in wasting money on him? It hardly constitutes a realistic threat to the public. Make him do some constructive good instead.