IDI indirect injection engines - are there any more?
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Hi,
So far I have the PSA XUD and TUD, old BMW and Merc diesels and the Isuzu engines used in the astra G, but are there more? I want a first car with indirect injection so I can run veg oil in it, and the insurance companies are not kind when it comes to 17 year olds trying to insure 190horsepower 3.0 litre turbodiesel mercs. I find astra Gs as well as all the cars that use the XUD engine. Any help greatly appreciated. Of course there are IDI engines used in tractors and whatever but im asking about cars before anyone tries any funny business. Cheers
So far I have the PSA XUD and TUD, old BMW and Merc diesels and the Isuzu engines used in the astra G, but are there more? I want a first car with indirect injection so I can run veg oil in it, and the insurance companies are not kind when it comes to 17 year olds trying to insure 190horsepower 3.0 litre turbodiesel mercs. I find astra Gs as well as all the cars that use the XUD engine. Any help greatly appreciated. Of course there are IDI engines used in tractors and whatever but im asking about cars before anyone tries any funny business. Cheers
Most tractors are actually direct injection - though some early ones were indirect (and were bad to start!). David Brown were one of the pioneers in "high speed" direct injection and all their tractor engines (from the 1940s) were direct injection.
Note: my user name is because I own a couple of David Brown tractors - not because I like Aston Martins (who were owned by DB!)
So, lesson over - perhaps the early Golf/Passat diesels would fit the bill. I had a Mk2 Golf 1600 diesel and a Passat 1.9TD (not the TDI version), though the Mk3 Golfs had the 1.9 indirect injection diesel too (without turbo). I believe some Caddys still had the engine until quite recently (10 years or so ago), but I would check before buying one!
Don't forget early diesel Land Rovers were indirect injection - you also get the benefit of free RFL with those!
Note: my user name is because I own a couple of David Brown tractors - not because I like Aston Martins (who were owned by DB!)
So, lesson over - perhaps the early Golf/Passat diesels would fit the bill. I had a Mk2 Golf 1600 diesel and a Passat 1.9TD (not the TDI version), though the Mk3 Golfs had the 1.9 indirect injection diesel too (without turbo). I believe some Caddys still had the engine until quite recently (10 years or so ago), but I would check before buying one!
Don't forget early diesel Land Rovers were indirect injection - you also get the benefit of free RFL with those!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citron-ZX-1-9Turbo-Diese...
From my understanding this would be the best bet as it has a bosch pump as opposed to the 306 which on later models used the lucas pump
From my understanding this would be the best bet as it has a bosch pump as opposed to the 306 which on later models used the lucas pump
Edited by PimpmyHotwheels on Tuesday 10th June 09:47
swagamuffin said:
LP670 said:
i think the non pd 1.9 vw diesels an indirect found in early mk4 golfs and passats of the same vintage.
All MK4s were TDI. A shame because I like themdbfan said:
Most tractors are actually direct injection - though some early ones were indirect (and were bad to start!). David Brown were one of the pioneers in "high speed" direct injection and all their tractor engines (from the 1940s) were direct injection.
Lesson learnt. Will look into the older VWs. ThanksPimpmyHotwheels said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citron-ZX-1-9Turbo-Diese...
From my understanding this would be the best bet as it has a bosch pump as opposed to the 306 which on later models used the lucas pump are
I think these are hideous. The 306 does come with a Bosch pump though. I just dislike the French design of that era. I was looking into a pug 406, but my dreams were crushed when I learnt that the nice looking facelift model abandoned the XUD engine.From my understanding this would be the best bet as it has a bosch pump as opposed to the 306 which on later models used the lucas pump are
Edited by PimpmyHotwheels on Tuesday 10th June 09:47
Triumph Man said:
I think that, although correct me if I'm wrong, the BMW M51 diesels (325 td/s and 525 td/s, Range Rover, Omega) were indirect injection. Again, I THINK. Not entirely sure TBH.
They most certainly were. I am going to take a look at the omega and the beemers to see what insurance is like. Don't need a range for my first car. ThanksAW111 said:
I could be wrong, but I think the issue with veggie oil is non common-rail, not non-di.
AFAIK the later pumps & injectors don't suit anything but diesel.
You are not wrong, but IDIs run it a lot better and usually just put it in and drive. I am looking into a DI engine as well, as long as I don't have common rail and the pump is mechanical it is fine.AFAIK the later pumps & injectors don't suit anything but diesel.
swagamuffin said:
I think these are hideous. The 306 does come with a Bosch pump though. I just dislike the French design of that era. I was looking into a pug 406, but my dreams were crushed when I learnt that the nice looking facelift model abandoned the XUD engine.
When I replaced my ZX (loved that car) I looked at 306's but couldn't find one with a Bosch pump, it seems the majority are Lucas.You can relatively easily modify car's who's pumps cant handle the veg oil so you warm them up on diesel, then switch to a second tank using veg oil which passed through a heat exchanger near the pump, meaning it's thin enough it doesn't cause the pump problems.
V8forweekends said:
2.3 Peugeot unit in the early Ford Sierras are Indirect - very smooth but pretty gutless.
I think early Maestros and Montegos with the Perkins Prima are indirect - but if you don't like the old Citroens, you won't like those!
Maestros and Montegos are very very ugly, unsafe and unreliable. Sierras are cool though, but it's getting hold of one that someone hasn't done up for drifting and whatever, and the unmolested ones are usually sheds. I think early Maestros and Montegos with the Perkins Prima are indirect - but if you don't like the old Citroens, you won't like those!
swagamuffin said:
Maestros and Montegos are very very ugly, unsafe and unreliable. Sierras are cool though, but it's getting hold of one that someone hasn't done up for drifting and whatever, and the unmolested ones are usually sheds.
Might be a bit of false economy then as an older car might require more maintenance and the money that you have saved has gone into the maintenance of the car RizzoTheRat said:
swagamuffin said:
I think these are hideous. The 306 does come with a Bosch pump though. I just dislike the French design of that era. I was looking into a pug 406, but my dreams were crushed when I learnt that the nice looking facelift model abandoned the XUD engine.
When I replaced my ZX (loved that car) I looked at 306's but couldn't find one with a Bosch pump, it seems the majority are Lucas.You can relatively easily modify car's who's pumps cant handle the veg oil so you warm them up on diesel, then switch to a second tank using veg oil which passed through a heat exchanger near the pump, meaning it's thin enough it doesn't cause the pump problems.
Easy way to tell the difference is to look at the emergency stop lever - on a Lucas it's a curve at the RH side of the pump, on a Bosch it's a straight lever near the middle.
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