VAG DSG Boxes.
Discussion
dowahdiddyman said:
Sorry for sounding thick, but am i correct in thinking the paddleshift is like using a manual mode.
Yes that's it, when you put the car into "manual" mode, you shift up by pulling the right paddle and down by pulling left. If you just leave it in normal mode, the car will behave like an automatic. Yadizzle1 said:
Yes that's it, when you put the car into "manual" mode, you shift up by pulling the right paddle and down by pulling left. If you just leave it in normal mode, the car will behave like an automatic.
No need to put selector into manual mode. Using either paddle over-rides the auto and puts the gearbox into manual. Stays in manual until no gear change for approximately 20 seconds, or if right paddle (change up) is held, and it then reverts back to auto mode. Great for changing down before overtaking rather than using 'kick down' and allows both hands to stay on the steering wheel. Also for changing down before a corner.I have been driving a March 2012 Octavia vRS with DSG for just over a year and 12K miles and can't see any reason to go back to a manual.
BE57 TOY said:
Love mine. Always worried about it going wrong though as they aren't the most reliable and cost £5k to replace!
Before buying my Golf I did a fair bit of reading around and failed to find any reference to a DSG failing. They seem to be extremely reliable. OP - it's important to make sure the 'box has had a service (oil and filter) within the schedule.I love the gearbox, once I'd got used to its ways I found I forgot all about it most of the time and I can't see why I'd ever buy a manual again.
I have the 7 speed one in an Ibiza and its pretty faultless.
Just leave it in drive when your pottering about for economy, I only use sport mode to overtake quickly becuase it revs too high.
Otherwise just put it in manual mode and use the paddles or stick to get most out of it.
It has hill hold so its no problem in traffic on slopes or hills.
You will never go back to a clutch pedal again!
Just leave it in drive when your pottering about for economy, I only use sport mode to overtake quickly becuase it revs too high.
Otherwise just put it in manual mode and use the paddles or stick to get most out of it.
It has hill hold so its no problem in traffic on slopes or hills.
You will never go back to a clutch pedal again!
Rouleur said:
Before buying my Golf I did a fair bit of reading around and failed to find any reference to a DSG failing. They seem to be extremely reliable. OP - it's important to make sure the 'box has had a service (oil and filter) within the schedule.
I love the gearbox, once I'd got used to its ways I found I forgot all about it most of the time and I can't see why I'd ever buy a manual again.
You didn't look very hard then. The mechatronics units on the DSG box is renound for its expensive failures. I love the gearbox, once I'd got used to its ways I found I forgot all about it most of the time and I can't see why I'd ever buy a manual again.
I can scan up the invoice from mine if you like!
BE57 TOY said:
You didn't look very hard then. The mechatronics units on the DSG box is renound for its expensive failures.
I can scan up the invoice from mine if you like!
You only hear about the bad ones; why would anyone complain that they have a good one?I can scan up the invoice from mine if you like!
They aren't renowned for failures, it's just that they're expensive to repair.
Edited by fangio on Saturday 14th June 23:05
fangio said:
You only hear about the bad ones; why would anyone complain that they have a good one?
They aren't renowned for failures, it's just that they're expensive to repair.
I disagree - they are renound for failures. Well the mechatronics unit is anyway. They aren't renowned for failures, it's just that they're expensive to repair.
Edited by fangio on Saturday 14th June 23:05
dowahdiddyman said:
Sorry for sounding thick, but am i correct in thinking the paddleshift is like using a manual mode.
It's not 'like' using manual mode, it is manual, DSG's are manual gearboxes, 2 of them in fact, one for odd gears, one for even and a pair of clutches in between.The mechatronics issues appear to have been solved in the latest cars so if you're buying new you can (probably) relax
I think be57toy may have some bad personal experience, as ever complaints will be more public than praise although there was a thread a while back on here with loads of high miles users saying great things. Vag was first to mass market with twin clutch gearboxes. So unsurprisingly with new tech they had some early failures
I think these are general guidelines that one can use , happy to be corrected but
6 Speed Wet clutch DSG used in FWD cars
- Recent cars have very few failures, ( although with thousands sold there will always be some, and the internet will be a prime place to moan),
- newer versions of the 6 spd FWD (probably around 2008-9 onwards) have learnt from failures in earlier iterations (2003-7)
- early cars ( TT was the first), had mainly Mechatronics issues, these can fixed outside the VW network now at less than £2k.
7 speed Dry Clutch FWD
- Some issues with clutches, and juddering - no visible solution other than new clutch packs, there are sw updates which may help older cars.
- Electrical failures causing lack of drive,these are part of recall to change oil to mineral ( to early to be sure, if this solves the issue)
Other implementations in RWD such as R8 or 7 speed from 2007 in Audi's. Currently not enough statistical evidence of failure I can see to make any comment, which may in itself be a good thing.
I think these are general guidelines that one can use , happy to be corrected but
6 Speed Wet clutch DSG used in FWD cars
- Recent cars have very few failures, ( although with thousands sold there will always be some, and the internet will be a prime place to moan),
- newer versions of the 6 spd FWD (probably around 2008-9 onwards) have learnt from failures in earlier iterations (2003-7)
- early cars ( TT was the first), had mainly Mechatronics issues, these can fixed outside the VW network now at less than £2k.
7 speed Dry Clutch FWD
- Some issues with clutches, and juddering - no visible solution other than new clutch packs, there are sw updates which may help older cars.
- Electrical failures causing lack of drive,these are part of recall to change oil to mineral ( to early to be sure, if this solves the issue)
Other implementations in RWD such as R8 or 7 speed from 2007 in Audi's. Currently not enough statistical evidence of failure I can see to make any comment, which may in itself be a good thing.
I haven't personally been bitten by them, but my car did have a new mechatronics unit at 60k at a cost of £5k but was done under warranty thankfully.
A bit of reading around about these boxes and I found that DSG boxes are no where near as reliable as manual boxes.
Tame technician on here confirmed DSG are not good at higher miles or on out of warranty cars and recommended sticking with a manual.
That being said I do love mine!!
A bit of reading around about these boxes and I found that DSG boxes are no where near as reliable as manual boxes.
Tame technician on here confirmed DSG are not good at higher miles or on out of warranty cars and recommended sticking with a manual.
That being said I do love mine!!
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