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Hi Everybody.
I have been a member of Pistonheads now for years and have decided to start participating in the forums. So first of all before I do, here is a bit about me, the cars I've owned and my experiences with them.
I am 25 next month, I live in the North East of Scotland (north of Aberdeen), I graduated a few years back and currently work as a project engineer. I commute to work from Fraserburgh to Aberdeen sharing a lift, so I drive every second day. The route is from Fraserburgh, the A90 (via A952) then A90 again to Aberdeen, just to put some context on things in regards to my experiences with cars and the road I do 90% of my driving. I have had 6 cars which is what I am here to write about. I'll briefly mention the first 3 then go into a bit more detail with the most recent 3 (inc my current car).
'02 Citroen Saxo - SV02 XWD (07-08):
It was a blue 1.4 'Furio' model. Basically a VTR replica with less power and cheaper insurance. Great little car to learn in and to own when you are 17. After writing it off through no fault of my own, I was carless for a year because I didn't really need one and because I had to wait 10 months for any insurance money.
'95 Mitsubishi FTO GR - M2 UHN (09-10):
Bought for shed money to run around in while at uni. Great sound from the 2l V6, but not quick thanks to the 4 speed tiptronic gearbox... which evuntually failed. After replacing it for a significant cost the car was written off after a small accident bending the driveshaft.
'06 Ford Fiesta Zetec S - KF56 OOC (10-11):
This was the first car I really liked a lot. Handled well, short ratio gear box made it quite fun and it had just enough power from its 1.6l petrol engine. Nothing ever went wrong with this car and it sailed through its MOT in the time I had it, never needed any consumables replaced either other than during its service.
'06 Toyota Celica GT - GY56 ZNP (11-13):
After owning the fiesta for over a year I finished uni and decided to get something that I really wanted. The only requirement was that it would have to be significantly quicker than the fiesta. I went to a local dealer to look at a cora vxr, but my attention was drawn to this (in my eyes) very cool, different looking car for the same money. I enquired, 1 owner from new and 33K on the clock, I test drove it and bought it, the corsa never got a look in.
I have always been a fan of Japanese sports cars, usually the turbo variety but had also loved the Integra Type R. The Celica was similar to the integra and initially I loved it. It was a lot faster than the fiesta with 190bhp, and hitting the higher lift cams at 6200rpm was addictive. The noise it made in the proces was equally addictive! The car came with a TRD short shifter which was and still is the best shift Ive tried in any car, although on a cold morning it was awful until the oil heated up.I loved the car for what it was. Many thought I was stupid and should ahve went for the corsa as you got map it bla bla bla, but I am glad I didn't and that I can say I've owned a proper NA high revving car. You need to drive it like your in a race constantly for the car to be quick and put a smile on your face but it was always worth it. On a side note, the Celica was just not as good as the Integra Type R in nearly every department, which I found out after driving one. But it didn't matter, in its own right it was a drivers car.
After a space of a few months commuting the love for the car started to fade. I had got used to the power. The power was never available without making an effort but the car was tfar too loud with its full stainless system. So along with upgrading the discs and pads I added to silencer boxes through the system which made the car much more bareable. After a year of ownership the bottom end went and the car required an engine rebuild. I opted for the re-build rather than a replacement as I initially thought it was the cheaper option (as the 2ZZ GE engine was used in the exige and elise it commanded a high price). After a failed attempt with a local garage the car was put down to Se7en Motorsports in S
horpe. After a few months I got my car but better than new and with stage 2 cams, thanks to Lee from Se7en. The cams did nothing for top end but help fill the drop in torque between 4500rpm and 6200rpm before the cams changed which was useful. Mid 2013 I blew a valve and while the car was getting repaired I bought a new car in August, and finally sold the Celica in Dec last year.
'10 Seat Leon FR CR DSG - KU60 ZWD (13-14)
DIESEL, yes the heavy oil fuel which powered my new car. I realise the petrol vs diesel is a big debate on here, so I will come to my views on that after I tell you about this car.
After all the problems I had with the Celica I decided to go for the sensible option for my commute. So I went for an approved used diesel Leon (the nicer looking hatch of the VAG group), with a years warrenty. I went for the DSG because I had driven a mates Polo GTI and thought the gearbox was brilliant, as brilliant as the one in the Celica but for all different reasons. In the first week of buying the car I had it remapped by Revo and put on the rolling roads. So I went from a lightweight 190bhp, 133lbs ft (yes, it did have that little torque) 1100KG car to a 198bhp, 299 lbs ft, near 1500KG car. The abundance of torque was so refreshing after the Celica and with the DSG box it was smooth and effortless. The car was flawless in my time having it, much quicker than I had expected and quicker than my mates 5K more expensive Golf GTD, thanks to DSG vs manual. In its time I had also made a joke of a Focus ST 225bhp, in a straight line it was dead equal, probably to the dismay of the driver of the ST. After having the Celica the handling was like a boat and although it was great for a diesel, after 4K rpm it sounded awful and quickly ran out of shove (not an issue with the dsg), so upgraded pads and Eagle F1 2's all round helped a bit. I loved the car more than I had expected and quickly came round to liking and respecting diesels like this for their torque and mpg. Speaking of mpg I averaged 38mpg in my time, yes it could do 50 driving slowly on a motorway but I commute on a great A road and drive pretty briskly. In the end I changed car after 10 months because; service, MOT and tax would be due in 2 months along with a dsg gearbox oilchange at 40K miles, but the biggest reason I changed was because I test drove the Fiesta ST... Before I gonto the fiesta I'll say my peice on petrol vs diesel.
Now, I have went from a hater of diesel (having only been a passenger in them and never driving one), to a lover (owning one), and now I respect both but at the end of the day, petrol is always going to be the winner.
The key thing in this debate is CONTEXT. A lot of people have opinions based on little experience or knowledge of the two or are just lovers or haters of either. I feel I have some experience, high revving NA petrol, 2l turbo diesel and a 1.6 turbo petrol, although at the end of the day it is just my opinions and experiences. I think it also depends on what kind of roads you drive on the majority of the time, be it A/B roads, town or duel carriageways/motorways.
The issues seem to be mpg, torque and driveability.
Now, I drove all my cars in a similar manner which was pretty quickly most days commuting on the A road. My experiences are that as great the celica was too drive on the edge and when at the limit it was quicker and better than the leon in everyway as a drivers car, for my commute it got very tiring when you wanted to make brisk progress without effort. Now, the diesel leon excelled at this, 300lbs ft of torque @ roughly 2000rpm vs the celicas 133 lbs ft at 6800 ish rpm. You could drive very quickly all the time in the leon without thinking about it, that is why at that point in time, I thought that diesel was the new king. Power, torque and good mpg (in comparison with the celica). In reality for whats quoted it is terrible mpg, averaging 38 when officially for the dsg model its combined is about 50mpg, the official combined for the celica was 33mpg so it was only 5mpg off wheras my diesel was 12mpg off! Yes TWELVE. I have driven, slower, manual diesels and I find them awful in EVERY way, torquey but run out of steam far too quickly and I have been in quicker a diesel, the 335d (the quickest car in the world... FACT
and it was brilliant, but I have never driven one. Comparing alone diesel turbos against non turbo petrols is stupid. You can only compare turbo with turbo if you want to be fair.
My biggest gripe is why people buy diesels because of their quoted mpg, it actually ridiculous! Yes, when driving at a steady pace the diesel car will use less fuel (diesel has more energy per ml than petrol), so less is required to use the same energy, please somebody correct me if I am wrong. For example, if in my commute I drive 20,000 miles per year...
Diesel cost = £1.45/L = £6.58/G @50mpg = 400G required = £2632
Petrol cost = £1.38/L = £6.26/G @30mpg = 666G required = £4169.16
This looks significant at first glance but; diesel is probably more expensive than 7p / litre over petrl (I use V power so took that into acc), the mpg difference for me any is not that high so. In reality with somebody doing 10000 and a petrol car doing 35mpg and a diesel 45mpg and the price difference at 10p per litre...
Diesel cost = £1.45/L = £6.58/G @45mpg = 444G required = £2921.52
Petrol cost = £1.35/L = £6.13/G @35mpg = 571G required = £3499.66
So, without taking any other costs into account (tax, servicing, repairs, dpf) a petrol car should only be £500-600 a year more expensive, and that's after factoring in the premium you pay for buying the equivilant diesel over petrol in the first place.
In my opinion, there is no need for modern turbo diesels as modern turbo petrols do everything better (as I will get onto), they are just as torquey, more powerful, better to drive, lighter (smaller discplacements like for like), cheaper and the saving on fuel buying a diesel is now insignificant that they are borderline obselete, unless you genuinly prefer driving a diesel. I can imagine driving a 6cyl or more cyl diesel with enormous torque and a decent double clutch box will probably be preferable over a petrol but for under 6 cyl I just can't see why you would buy a diesel car. Maybe if you are buying a car 4 or more years older it might make siome sense (better mpg, more torque etc), but modern turbo petrols are just so much better than their heavy oil counterparts.
'14 Ford Fiesta ST-3 - SW14 GKX (current)
Where do I start??
I bought this car after one test drive. It was a breath of fresh air from the diesel leon, dynamically in a different planet. I realised I had become used to the leons characteristics and kidded myself that it was a hot hatch (albeit with a diesel engine). I was very wrong. I had had the Fiesta now for 3 weeks andf I can honestly say that it is the best car I have driven bar none (or maybe one). I have driven quite a lot of cars, some much faster and I'd probably choose this car over them, it is balanced and quick and most importantly it makes you smile, or when I first gave it a proper doing on a B road I actually started laughing, the new Fiesta is THAT good. The only better car I have driven was a Cayman S, but for the roads I drive on the Fiesta is probably just as good (Caymans gearing is awful, Fiest's is spot on). I cannot think of anything I dislike about the ST, on a run to Aberdeen sitting at 60 it can do 46 mpg, I am averaging 37 ish! Thats 1mpg less than I was with the Leon!!
I never thought I'd buy a brand new car but the finance options are very good at the moment. I went for an ST-3, pearlescent orange with half leather and half orange fabric recaros. I like how the car looks, interior wise in my opinion its great. Oddly the fiesta was not the first car I test drove. I drove the Ibiza cupra, the Mk 7 golf R and the Leon cupra 280. The ibiza wasn't quite there dynamically and I did not think the other 2 was worth the extra cash, seriously! The Leon 280 was probably a bit better than the Fiesta but the Fiesta was more fun, probably because it is manual and I fancied a change from DSG. The Golf left me cold, roughly 5K more than the LEon, it was competant and quick but the driving experience left me numb. The interior wasn't much better than the Leon and the ride was too harsh. Most importantly it was the 4 wheel drive that ruined it, the Leon with the trick diff which it shares with the GTI PP was just a lot better as a drivers car. If you must have a golf choose the GTI with the diff, not the R (actually buy the Leon because it is more powerful)!
Back to the Fiesta, the car blows away all the arguments for a diesel car. It is quicker than a 2L 170 bhp diesel, under my style of driving basically the same mpg, its cheaper and is the better car. If you want to use a comeback of torque for the diesel fanclub you can't, the 1.6L fiesta feels extremely torquey, roughly 200lbs ft @1150KG (5.75 KG per torque) vs 260 lbs ft @1500KG (5.76 KG per torque). I have ordered the Mountune upgrade becuase it doesn't invalidate the warrenty and all the reviews are positive, apparently 215-220bhp and 240lbs ft!
I'd like to finish with refrence to the BMW 318d M-Sport post I saw on here today. WHY bother when you can have a Fiesta or even a Focus ST for cheaper. Maybe you need a german badge so be it, but I find most german metal over priced for what they are. Ford all the way at the moment. Please nobody use a comeback of 'refined' or 'interior quality' because I really don't think that argument stands up against a Ford any more.
I think I have said everything I want, any comments or arguments against my opinions are appreciated!
I am sure some of you will have good valid points to make.
Cheers
Neil
I have been a member of Pistonheads now for years and have decided to start participating in the forums. So first of all before I do, here is a bit about me, the cars I've owned and my experiences with them.
I am 25 next month, I live in the North East of Scotland (north of Aberdeen), I graduated a few years back and currently work as a project engineer. I commute to work from Fraserburgh to Aberdeen sharing a lift, so I drive every second day. The route is from Fraserburgh, the A90 (via A952) then A90 again to Aberdeen, just to put some context on things in regards to my experiences with cars and the road I do 90% of my driving. I have had 6 cars which is what I am here to write about. I'll briefly mention the first 3 then go into a bit more detail with the most recent 3 (inc my current car).
'02 Citroen Saxo - SV02 XWD (07-08):
It was a blue 1.4 'Furio' model. Basically a VTR replica with less power and cheaper insurance. Great little car to learn in and to own when you are 17. After writing it off through no fault of my own, I was carless for a year because I didn't really need one and because I had to wait 10 months for any insurance money.
'95 Mitsubishi FTO GR - M2 UHN (09-10):
Bought for shed money to run around in while at uni. Great sound from the 2l V6, but not quick thanks to the 4 speed tiptronic gearbox... which evuntually failed. After replacing it for a significant cost the car was written off after a small accident bending the driveshaft.
'06 Ford Fiesta Zetec S - KF56 OOC (10-11):
This was the first car I really liked a lot. Handled well, short ratio gear box made it quite fun and it had just enough power from its 1.6l petrol engine. Nothing ever went wrong with this car and it sailed through its MOT in the time I had it, never needed any consumables replaced either other than during its service.
'06 Toyota Celica GT - GY56 ZNP (11-13):
After owning the fiesta for over a year I finished uni and decided to get something that I really wanted. The only requirement was that it would have to be significantly quicker than the fiesta. I went to a local dealer to look at a cora vxr, but my attention was drawn to this (in my eyes) very cool, different looking car for the same money. I enquired, 1 owner from new and 33K on the clock, I test drove it and bought it, the corsa never got a look in.
I have always been a fan of Japanese sports cars, usually the turbo variety but had also loved the Integra Type R. The Celica was similar to the integra and initially I loved it. It was a lot faster than the fiesta with 190bhp, and hitting the higher lift cams at 6200rpm was addictive. The noise it made in the proces was equally addictive! The car came with a TRD short shifter which was and still is the best shift Ive tried in any car, although on a cold morning it was awful until the oil heated up.I loved the car for what it was. Many thought I was stupid and should ahve went for the corsa as you got map it bla bla bla, but I am glad I didn't and that I can say I've owned a proper NA high revving car. You need to drive it like your in a race constantly for the car to be quick and put a smile on your face but it was always worth it. On a side note, the Celica was just not as good as the Integra Type R in nearly every department, which I found out after driving one. But it didn't matter, in its own right it was a drivers car.
After a space of a few months commuting the love for the car started to fade. I had got used to the power. The power was never available without making an effort but the car was tfar too loud with its full stainless system. So along with upgrading the discs and pads I added to silencer boxes through the system which made the car much more bareable. After a year of ownership the bottom end went and the car required an engine rebuild. I opted for the re-build rather than a replacement as I initially thought it was the cheaper option (as the 2ZZ GE engine was used in the exige and elise it commanded a high price). After a failed attempt with a local garage the car was put down to Se7en Motorsports in S
horpe. After a few months I got my car but better than new and with stage 2 cams, thanks to Lee from Se7en. The cams did nothing for top end but help fill the drop in torque between 4500rpm and 6200rpm before the cams changed which was useful. Mid 2013 I blew a valve and while the car was getting repaired I bought a new car in August, and finally sold the Celica in Dec last year.'10 Seat Leon FR CR DSG - KU60 ZWD (13-14)
DIESEL, yes the heavy oil fuel which powered my new car. I realise the petrol vs diesel is a big debate on here, so I will come to my views on that after I tell you about this car.
After all the problems I had with the Celica I decided to go for the sensible option for my commute. So I went for an approved used diesel Leon (the nicer looking hatch of the VAG group), with a years warrenty. I went for the DSG because I had driven a mates Polo GTI and thought the gearbox was brilliant, as brilliant as the one in the Celica but for all different reasons. In the first week of buying the car I had it remapped by Revo and put on the rolling roads. So I went from a lightweight 190bhp, 133lbs ft (yes, it did have that little torque) 1100KG car to a 198bhp, 299 lbs ft, near 1500KG car. The abundance of torque was so refreshing after the Celica and with the DSG box it was smooth and effortless. The car was flawless in my time having it, much quicker than I had expected and quicker than my mates 5K more expensive Golf GTD, thanks to DSG vs manual. In its time I had also made a joke of a Focus ST 225bhp, in a straight line it was dead equal, probably to the dismay of the driver of the ST. After having the Celica the handling was like a boat and although it was great for a diesel, after 4K rpm it sounded awful and quickly ran out of shove (not an issue with the dsg), so upgraded pads and Eagle F1 2's all round helped a bit. I loved the car more than I had expected and quickly came round to liking and respecting diesels like this for their torque and mpg. Speaking of mpg I averaged 38mpg in my time, yes it could do 50 driving slowly on a motorway but I commute on a great A road and drive pretty briskly. In the end I changed car after 10 months because; service, MOT and tax would be due in 2 months along with a dsg gearbox oilchange at 40K miles, but the biggest reason I changed was because I test drove the Fiesta ST... Before I gonto the fiesta I'll say my peice on petrol vs diesel.
Now, I have went from a hater of diesel (having only been a passenger in them and never driving one), to a lover (owning one), and now I respect both but at the end of the day, petrol is always going to be the winner.
The key thing in this debate is CONTEXT. A lot of people have opinions based on little experience or knowledge of the two or are just lovers or haters of either. I feel I have some experience, high revving NA petrol, 2l turbo diesel and a 1.6 turbo petrol, although at the end of the day it is just my opinions and experiences. I think it also depends on what kind of roads you drive on the majority of the time, be it A/B roads, town or duel carriageways/motorways.
The issues seem to be mpg, torque and driveability.
Now, I drove all my cars in a similar manner which was pretty quickly most days commuting on the A road. My experiences are that as great the celica was too drive on the edge and when at the limit it was quicker and better than the leon in everyway as a drivers car, for my commute it got very tiring when you wanted to make brisk progress without effort. Now, the diesel leon excelled at this, 300lbs ft of torque @ roughly 2000rpm vs the celicas 133 lbs ft at 6800 ish rpm. You could drive very quickly all the time in the leon without thinking about it, that is why at that point in time, I thought that diesel was the new king. Power, torque and good mpg (in comparison with the celica). In reality for whats quoted it is terrible mpg, averaging 38 when officially for the dsg model its combined is about 50mpg, the official combined for the celica was 33mpg so it was only 5mpg off wheras my diesel was 12mpg off! Yes TWELVE. I have driven, slower, manual diesels and I find them awful in EVERY way, torquey but run out of steam far too quickly and I have been in quicker a diesel, the 335d (the quickest car in the world... FACT
and it was brilliant, but I have never driven one. Comparing alone diesel turbos against non turbo petrols is stupid. You can only compare turbo with turbo if you want to be fair.My biggest gripe is why people buy diesels because of their quoted mpg, it actually ridiculous! Yes, when driving at a steady pace the diesel car will use less fuel (diesel has more energy per ml than petrol), so less is required to use the same energy, please somebody correct me if I am wrong. For example, if in my commute I drive 20,000 miles per year...
Diesel cost = £1.45/L = £6.58/G @50mpg = 400G required = £2632
Petrol cost = £1.38/L = £6.26/G @30mpg = 666G required = £4169.16
This looks significant at first glance but; diesel is probably more expensive than 7p / litre over petrl (I use V power so took that into acc), the mpg difference for me any is not that high so. In reality with somebody doing 10000 and a petrol car doing 35mpg and a diesel 45mpg and the price difference at 10p per litre...
Diesel cost = £1.45/L = £6.58/G @45mpg = 444G required = £2921.52
Petrol cost = £1.35/L = £6.13/G @35mpg = 571G required = £3499.66
So, without taking any other costs into account (tax, servicing, repairs, dpf) a petrol car should only be £500-600 a year more expensive, and that's after factoring in the premium you pay for buying the equivilant diesel over petrol in the first place.
In my opinion, there is no need for modern turbo diesels as modern turbo petrols do everything better (as I will get onto), they are just as torquey, more powerful, better to drive, lighter (smaller discplacements like for like), cheaper and the saving on fuel buying a diesel is now insignificant that they are borderline obselete, unless you genuinly prefer driving a diesel. I can imagine driving a 6cyl or more cyl diesel with enormous torque and a decent double clutch box will probably be preferable over a petrol but for under 6 cyl I just can't see why you would buy a diesel car. Maybe if you are buying a car 4 or more years older it might make siome sense (better mpg, more torque etc), but modern turbo petrols are just so much better than their heavy oil counterparts.
'14 Ford Fiesta ST-3 - SW14 GKX (current)
Where do I start??
I bought this car after one test drive. It was a breath of fresh air from the diesel leon, dynamically in a different planet. I realised I had become used to the leons characteristics and kidded myself that it was a hot hatch (albeit with a diesel engine). I was very wrong. I had had the Fiesta now for 3 weeks andf I can honestly say that it is the best car I have driven bar none (or maybe one). I have driven quite a lot of cars, some much faster and I'd probably choose this car over them, it is balanced and quick and most importantly it makes you smile, or when I first gave it a proper doing on a B road I actually started laughing, the new Fiesta is THAT good. The only better car I have driven was a Cayman S, but for the roads I drive on the Fiesta is probably just as good (Caymans gearing is awful, Fiest's is spot on). I cannot think of anything I dislike about the ST, on a run to Aberdeen sitting at 60 it can do 46 mpg, I am averaging 37 ish! Thats 1mpg less than I was with the Leon!!
I never thought I'd buy a brand new car but the finance options are very good at the moment. I went for an ST-3, pearlescent orange with half leather and half orange fabric recaros. I like how the car looks, interior wise in my opinion its great. Oddly the fiesta was not the first car I test drove. I drove the Ibiza cupra, the Mk 7 golf R and the Leon cupra 280. The ibiza wasn't quite there dynamically and I did not think the other 2 was worth the extra cash, seriously! The Leon 280 was probably a bit better than the Fiesta but the Fiesta was more fun, probably because it is manual and I fancied a change from DSG. The Golf left me cold, roughly 5K more than the LEon, it was competant and quick but the driving experience left me numb. The interior wasn't much better than the Leon and the ride was too harsh. Most importantly it was the 4 wheel drive that ruined it, the Leon with the trick diff which it shares with the GTI PP was just a lot better as a drivers car. If you must have a golf choose the GTI with the diff, not the R (actually buy the Leon because it is more powerful)!
Back to the Fiesta, the car blows away all the arguments for a diesel car. It is quicker than a 2L 170 bhp diesel, under my style of driving basically the same mpg, its cheaper and is the better car. If you want to use a comeback of torque for the diesel fanclub you can't, the 1.6L fiesta feels extremely torquey, roughly 200lbs ft @1150KG (5.75 KG per torque) vs 260 lbs ft @1500KG (5.76 KG per torque). I have ordered the Mountune upgrade becuase it doesn't invalidate the warrenty and all the reviews are positive, apparently 215-220bhp and 240lbs ft!
I'd like to finish with refrence to the BMW 318d M-Sport post I saw on here today. WHY bother when you can have a Fiesta or even a Focus ST for cheaper. Maybe you need a german badge so be it, but I find most german metal over priced for what they are. Ford all the way at the moment. Please nobody use a comeback of 'refined' or 'interior quality' because I really don't think that argument stands up against a Ford any more.
I think I have said everything I want, any comments or arguments against my opinions are appreciated!
I am sure some of you will have good valid points to make.Cheers
Neil
I'd invite you along to the Aberdeen meets but seeing as 1. I now know your whole life story and 2. No-one else would get a word in there seems little point.
For those who can't be arsed to read all that I give you a summery.
Guy writes off his first two cars breaks his next two and then decides a fiesta st is the best car in the world.
For those who can't be arsed to read all that I give you a summery.
Guy writes off his first two cars breaks his next two and then decides a fiesta st is the best car in the world.
I actually enjoyed your first post.
A friend of mine has recently got a new Fiesta ST and to be fair it is bloody quick. Almost keeps up with my MR2 turbo, but after being a passenger in it, feels way more stable/planted during high speed cornering.
Conclusion - get an mr2 turbo. 25mpg all day and a scarier driving experience.
A friend of mine has recently got a new Fiesta ST and to be fair it is bloody quick. Almost keeps up with my MR2 turbo, but after being a passenger in it, feels way more stable/planted during high speed cornering.
Conclusion - get an mr2 turbo. 25mpg all day and a scarier driving experience.
I loved driving a mk6 fiesta zetec s. Was great fun to chuck around and nippy. By no means a power house but was great fun on a and B roads. Have to say I prefer the impreza now.
I agree about the diesel thing. Got rid of a 1.6 diesel focus, apparently the sport version but wasn't up to much. Got a 1.4 tsi golf now. Returns good mpg and doesn't sound like a tractor. Did try out the golf 1.6 diesel but you could tell all the extra weight over the front wheels.
I agree about the diesel thing. Got rid of a 1.6 diesel focus, apparently the sport version but wasn't up to much. Got a 1.4 tsi golf now. Returns good mpg and doesn't sound like a tractor. Did try out the golf 1.6 diesel but you could tell all the extra weight over the front wheels.
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