Grrrrrrr.. wasn't a happy chappy on Saturday

[Sireatalot]

Morning Guys..

I wasn't in the best of moods on Saturday..

I took the 350i into work, Thursday of last week, on the way home, it poured down with rain. didn't think much of it as I had the roof up

Anyway, got home, put the cover on the car as I didn't want it to get wetter than it needed and went inside for dinner. Now.. it was raining all night so I didn't go back outside to take the cover off and dry the car.

Saturday morning comes round, take the cover off to wash and polish it before the Breakfast meet at Staverton on Sunday and found these milky, cloudy marks all over the bonnet..GRRRRRR and a few other words were said


A bit hard to see but on the left of picture along the bonnet pivot line.




Sorry for cr...p pics.

After a bit of googling, found out they have been caused by water standing on the paintwork for a length of time.. with a few suggestions on how to remove. these included vinegar, wd40, TCut to name a few..


Does anyone have any idea the best way to remove ??

[mrzigazaga]

Hi mate....First rule..ALWAYS dry car off before covering....

Right..You could try some colour magic to see if that helps, I found that when it happened on Delilah i let her bake in the sun for a few hours which drew the moisture out and then i used colour magic which brought the shine back...Cheers...Ziga

[Sireatalot]

mrzigazaga said:

First rule..ALWAYS dry car off before covering....

I know.. was being lazy but also it was pishing it down all night and didn't want to leave uncovered..
not making excuses.. as it is my fault its happened.

will try the colour magic..
Cheers

[mrzigazaga]

Sireatalot said:

I know.. was being lazy

.....Get yourself a large micro fibre towel from howlfrauds...Sometimes its a losing battle but i have been out there when its pishing down and I'm trying to dry it off as fast as its getting wet..Quite funny to watch i should imagine as I'm like a rabid dog..The language is offal...But eventually i succeed...Just like an old budgerigar with no teeth..

[wooly350i]

It happened to us whilst D was living here, the roof leaked like a sieve so we had to cover her up, problem was she was wet and when cover came off, exactly the same result over the bonnet and around windscreen frame, we used colour magic and an orbital polisher but it didn't really get it all out im afraid, just one more thing to add to the ps off really.
Ive learnt from that never to cover up on wet paintwork.
Don't know if red suffers in this way more than other colours, it certainly does suffer from sun fade.

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

also using a chamois leather soaked in very hot / boiling water can help steam the stains out. if they have gone deep into the lacquer.

[mrzigazaga]

wooly350i said:

It happened to us whilst D was living here, the roof leaked like a sieve so we had to cover her up, problem was she was wet and when cover came off, exactly the same result over the bonnet and around windscreen frame, we used colour magic and an orbital polisher but it didn't really get it all out im afraid, just one more thing to add to the ps off really.

Come on john she's gone now so let her be...She turned my life upside down for ages, You only have to type into goggle.. "Sacrificial TVR" to see how much!!!.... But then she turned my life into something magical...And the more i got to know her the more i fell in love.

I personally think she epitomised TVR...But in a loveable way....Bit like this..

My short adaptation.

I leisurely strolled along a quiet yet typical english countryside...(Life before TVR)
The song of skylarks and chattering woodpeckers filled the air....(I love the sound of a V8)
Just then a distraught prized bull charges from an open gate........(I Want a TVR)
The beast is heading straight for me....(I buy Delilah)
Realising the terror i try to run to safety....(After a good look over her)
But the bulls rage catches me with its twisted horns....(Delilah being un-driveable for 4 months)
My horror is heightened as i see a stack of thorn bushes that the bull is heading for......(Finally got her running).
Painfully the bull carries my entire being through this bracken of hell....(She constantly breaks down).
And then the truth i never expected as the bull smashes through a panel fence..Me first.....(Finally get Delilah to a useable standard).
Only to have my body and soul come to rest in a field of naked water nymphs.....(Driving Delilah for a year...Trouble free)..
Trouble was...I kept reading it over and over and over and..........Theres only so many times you can read the same book!



Anyway back on topic.....Just using colour magic and a buffer won't remove the stains...You could try what Leigh has suggested as this does work on small areas but DONT leave a hot cloth on there too long or you will have a pure white square on the bonnet.....Ideally you pat and hold the hot cloth on few seconds at a time and you will start to see the milkiness coming out...But i tried this on one patch and it didn't do anything...But after i was parked up outside for a good few hours on a very hot day i noticed that evening that the water had vaporised...The paint looked a little flat which it would do as its porous so i gave it some colour magic..Work in..Wipe off...None of that rubbing and taking all day like you would with the original T-Cut...Does what it say's on the tin..."Magic".

[dixiebabes]

Happened to me Dom, its the heat off the engine that dries the water and leaves cloudy marks. I always leave the bonnet up when its been out in the rain which is very rare and the heat off the engine drys the car in the garage. Always leave the bonnet up until all water is gone!.

Dix

[MethylatedSpirit]

The thing with "colour magic" (waste of money) is that it simply hides the problem with the pigments and has no abrasiveness, so won't work with a polisher. It is merely a wax with some pigment... A few washes later and you have to redo it.


Sounds like the marks are etched right into the paint, so you have to remove a small layer of paint (about 1%). This is probably the most abrasive, and most likely to remove the marks with just a cloth. And it's cheap. http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repai...

Edited by MethylatedSpirit on Monday 30th June 12:50

[chj]

Farecla G3 products are good - or you could try a professional paint correction detailer ... there must be one somewhere near you?

Chris

[wooly350i]

mrzigazaga said:

Come on john she's gone now so let her be...She turned my life upside down for ages, You only have to type into goggle.. "Sacrificial TVR" to see how much!!!.... But then she turned my life into something magical...And the more i got to know her the more i fell in love.

I personally think she epitomised TVR...But in a loveable way....Bit like this..

My short adaptation.

I leisurely strolled along a quiet yet typical english countryside...(Life before TVR)
The song of skylarks and chattering woodpeckers filled the air....(I love the sound of a V8)
Just then a distraught prized bull charges from an open gate........(I Want a TVR)
The beast is heading straight for me....(I buy Delilah)
Realising the terror i try to run to safety....(After a good look over her)
But the bulls rage catches me with its twisted horns....(Delilah being un-driveable for 4 months)
My horror is heightened as i see a stack of thorn bushes that the bull is heading for......(Finally got her running).
Painfully the bull carries my entire being through this bracken of hell....(She constantly breaks down).
And then the truth i never expected as the bull smashes through a panel fence..Me first.....(Finally get Delilah to a useable standard).
Only to have my body and soul come to rest in a field of naked water nymphs.....(Driving Delilah for a year...Trouble free)..
Trouble was...I kept reading it over and over and over and..........Theres only so many times you can read the same book!



Anyway back on topic.....Just using colour magic and a buffer won't remove the stains...You could try what Leigh has suggested as this does work on small areas but DONT leave a hot cloth on there too long or you will have a pure white square on the bonnet.....Ideally you pat and hold the hot cloth on few seconds at a time and you will start to see the milkiness coming out...But i tried this on one patch and it didn't do anything...But after i was parked up outside for a good few hours on a very hot day i noticed that evening that the water had vaporised...The paint looked a little flat which it would do as its porous so i gave it some colour magic..Work in..Wipe off...None of that rubbing and taking all day like you would with the original T-Cut...Does what it say's on the tin..."Magic".

Mark, you've got far far too much time on your hands matey,
Anyway you know the saying,' it helps to talk' , its good therapy for me let alone Tobz.

[maston]

chj said:

Farecla G3 products are good - or you could try a professional paint correction detailer ... there must be one somewhere near you?

Chris

+1

[DIB350]

Autoglym Super Resin Polish should sort this put. If not AG Pain Renovator then SRP. Takes a bit of elbow grease but should sort it.

[V8 Fettler]

Should not the lacquer finish prevent this? I'm not a polisher, but it's bizarre that standing water should damage paintwork in such a short time.

[DIB350]

It's the minerals suspended in the water that causes the stains. The water evaporates and the minerals that are left bond to the paintwork.

[superwedge]

try some g3 its good,

[Sireatalot]

Thanks for all the responses guy.. much appreciated

DIB350 said:

It's the minerals suspended in the water that causes the stains. The water evaporates and the minerals that are left bond to the paintwork.

I don't think it is this kind of water mark as there is no build up on the paintwork - it seems to be within the paint and lacquer..

having a look on google, it seems they are type3 watermarks as per link below
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-fre...

I do have a couple of contacts who are car valeters / detailers... will give them a shout over the weekend.

Thanks again all.
Cheers
Dom

[mrzigazaga]

Dominic...If you can...Leave the car parked somewhere where it can bake in the sun...The moisture should get drawn out...This type of "Milky" spot/Patch is where the water has reacted with the lacquer mainly due to the lack of structure in the lacquer which gets broken down after years of weathering or car covers being put on....It becomes porous.

If you start using compounds that are too abrasive then you will degrade it even more which could cause the rest of it to start lifting over time...My lacquer on Poppy is lifting all over but it needs flattening back and re-lacquering.

As said i did the same thing on Delilah...I put the breathable cover on while it was pishing down as i had no choice and in the morning it looked like someone had poured a pint of milk over her...I know i used to get excited when driving her but this was not me...

I would try it first rather than paying someone to remove it...If it doesn't work then go for it....Ziga

[ElvisWedgely]

From what you describe, this doesn't sound like watermark to me. It's more likely the condensation has got in between the paint and the lacquer giving that milky look. From my experience, there's not much that can be done about that except a new paint job. Have you consulted your insurance company? They may pay out for a new paint job as it was accidental.

As the car is red in colour, you have to be careful how you get it sprayed. If sprayed in sections, it can appear two tone at night. Which is another reason you should ask for help from your insursnce as the whole car would need to be sprayed for perfection. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'd rather you knew the facts.

Paints now are water based and hence have to be lacquered. Though the finish looks great, the paintwork has to be trested with great care.

Tony. TCB.

[mrzigazaga]

Plasti-dip it!!!!