T bars on yellow lines

[rodney59]

Interestingly I note that a council paint machine was out and about the Old street (EC2) area of London yesterday, and they were repainting the yellow lines, and white on-street car bay lines. What I noticed was that at the join of the yellow line and a car bay they were adding a T bar.

When I asked why - they said they have to now. But then I saw that at a zebra crossing white lines there was not a fresh T bar. Asked them again, and told "they dont have to there."

Which leads to the questions. Are the council being over zealous in their T bars? and are they right Zebra etc dont require the T bar?

I then walked around more and saw that single lines turned into double the other side of zebra; a "Look left" sign and an on street car bay. Which I thought surely all these cannot be correct?

[mondeoman]

T bars on yellow lines are legally required to terminate a no parking area, so thats right.

As for the others, no idea

[lazy_b]

T-bars aren't required where the double yellow lines meet the zig-zag lines of a pedestrian crossing, because the zig-zags "overlay" the double yellows. You have to imagine the yellow lines continuing unbroken under the zig-zags.

[rodney59]

Anyone know of the correct regs on line ?

[ca092003]

They've probably lost a recent case brought by someone who actually understood the legislation. So, to cover their backs, they are making them compliant with the legislation again. Which is nice.

[g_attrill]

rodney59 said:

Anyone know of the correct regs on line ?

www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm

[towman]

Who would want to park a Tea Bar on a yellow line. They`d never get much business as the customers would not be able to park. Stick it in a Layby.

Steve

On me way........

[mcflurry]

Islington Council (who I believe cover parts of Old Street) won't put up parking restriction signs from next year

[Dwight VanDriver]

Mac

There is no longer a requirement to put up the signs
with yellows showing the restriction. Only at the start of a CPZ or where there is a variation in the restriction. Total to partial.

DVD

[rodney59]

"
I then walked around more and saw that single lines turned into double the other side of zebra; a "Look left" sign and an on street car bay. Which I thought surely all these cannot be correct?
"
What about the above then? In all cases the doubles/single were not terminated at the road sign.

And would it be legal if the double line, while joined by a line across, did not have "drop line" to terminate the two doubles. IE:
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^this piece

But looked like
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The regs say the bottom one is not legal. True?

[mcflurry]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Mac There is no longer a requirement to put up the signs with yellows showing the restriction. Only at the start of a CPZ or where there is a variation in the restriction. Total to partial. DVD

On double yellows that is fine.

However since different councils have different time restrictions on single yellows, and especially in London the zones overlap say between Westminster, Camden, Islington etc, that a large number of tickets will be issued to the unsuspecting at 6.31pm, 7.02pm etc.