Kit car Licensing. I am confused.Doh!
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I've always uderstood that a kit car build can retain the registation under the name of the donor car and its year of manufacture as long as it has the original (non modified) chassis. Has this now changed? I recently saw an ad for a 1966 Hawk Cobra with 1966 registration number. The Hawk kit is a new body and chassis that accepts donor parts from either MGB or Jaguar XJ, both of which are unitary construction.
Can anyone help me with this? I've tried to digest the BIVA info and got a headache. I'm in the process of designing a body / chassis which will use a 60's - 70's unitary construction donor - will this be allowed to retain donors registration details? Will my prototype need to be crash tested? I intend to produce body shell / chassis kits foe enthusiasts to home build.
Can anyone help me with this? I've tried to digest the BIVA info and got a headache. I'm in the process of designing a body / chassis which will use a 60's - 70's unitary construction donor - will this be allowed to retain donors registration details? Will my prototype need to be crash tested? I intend to produce body shell / chassis kits foe enthusiasts to home build.
Why would you design a car using a 60s or 70s donor? Where are prospective owners/builders going to find such a donor? And if they did, it would be initially expensive and also worth more restored than pulled apart for a few parts.
You want the donor vehicle to be ultra cheap and readily available, so late 90s / 2000s.
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/individual-vehicle-appr...
You want the donor vehicle to be ultra cheap and readily available, so late 90s / 2000s.
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/individual-vehicle-appr...
Many thanks for the link, this looks much more paletable than the one I've been looking at. My donor is currently in good supply - lots of 'basket cases' still available @ anywhere between £100 - £400 (they rusted like crazy - but I just need the drive chain, suspension and steering and none of the body components), new parts are easily and cheaply available from many sources, and should continue to be so as there is very popular following of this make of car. I don't like the idea of breaking these cars - but if they are beyond repair at least they will have a continued life as a retro design sports car, and will release some parts (interior trim, glass etc) to original marque restorers.
CAUTION! nidirect = Northern Ireland.
These links, for the rest of the UK, might be more appropriate :
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/individu...
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...
These links, for the rest of the UK, might be more appropriate :
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/individu...
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-...
Good links! Many thanks. Looks ambigous enough for what I'm hoping to achieve, and I'm guessing this is how a Hawk Cobra manages it as follows.....
''Get an age-related registration number
DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle
a true reflection of the marque
The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must inspect the vehicle and confirm in writing that it:
has been inspected
is a true reflection of the marque
is comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old
They must also give manufacture dates for the major components.
DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.''
''Get an age-related registration number
DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle
a true reflection of the marque
The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must inspect the vehicle and confirm in writing that it:
has been inspected
is a true reflection of the marque
is comprised of genuine period components all over 25 years old
They must also give manufacture dates for the major components.
DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.''
All genuine old components, or to specification INCLUDES the MONOCOQUE/UNITARY BODY/CHASSIS, so (for example) if this was a kit based on a MG Midget, it would need a Heritage shell. If it has a new chassis (of different design to original). then (with the donor car parts) it could get an AGE RELATED number eg old G reg from 1967. If parts are used from various vehicles (ie not one donor) then it would get a Q reg, because it would be deemed of indeterminate age.
This is how I see it - but if I need to be enlightened then that's no problem also.
A mystery to me how JLR are going to produce the "missing, never started" extra 6 lightweight E types to original spec and get around the rules?
This is how I see it - but if I need to be enlightened then that's no problem also.
A mystery to me how JLR are going to produce the "missing, never started" extra 6 lightweight E types to original spec and get around the rules?
'If it has a new chassis (of different design to original). then (with the donor car parts) it could get an AGE RELATED number eg old G reg from 1967.'
That's how I think the Hawk Cobra gets an age related allocation, however recent info seem to say;
'DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle,
I remain - Confused. Doh!
That's how I think the Hawk Cobra gets an age related allocation, however recent info seem to say;
'DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle,
I remain - Confused. Doh!
rogerowen said:
'If it has a new chassis (of different design to original). then (with the donor car parts) it could get an AGE RELATED number eg old G reg from 1967.'
That's how I think the Hawk Cobra gets an age related allocation, however recent info seem to say;
'DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle,
I remain - Confused. Doh!
You are confusing different sections. The bit about "more than one vehicle" relates to RECONSTRUCTED vehicles, not radically altered or kit cars.That's how I think the Hawk Cobra gets an age related allocation, however recent info seem to say;
'DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be:
built from genuine period components from more than one vehicle,
I remain - Confused. Doh!
i.e. - if it is IDENTICAL to the original, but made up of parts from several cars which were old enough, it can be counted as a reconstruction. That certainly won't apply to what you're proposing.
Regarding kit cars the registration allocated is down to 3 build approaches
Aquire a pile of parts from different cars or scrapyards, eBay et al and bolt these to your kit car chassis monocoque or not and you get a Q reg ( emmisions requirements are favourable)
Buy a single donor vehicle and use enough parts to obtain required points as found on DVLA form ( usually engine, gearbox, axles, steering) and you will get an age related registration, not the donor reg as this is surrendered with the V5, DVLA note the car as scrapped
Buy a new kit car chassis with certificate of newness, buy all new parts with receipts although strangely 1 major part can be reconditioned and you will be issued with a new registration
Aquire a pile of parts from different cars or scrapyards, eBay et al and bolt these to your kit car chassis monocoque or not and you get a Q reg ( emmisions requirements are favourable)
Buy a single donor vehicle and use enough parts to obtain required points as found on DVLA form ( usually engine, gearbox, axles, steering) and you will get an age related registration, not the donor reg as this is surrendered with the V5, DVLA note the car as scrapped
Buy a new kit car chassis with certificate of newness, buy all new parts with receipts although strangely 1 major part can be reconditioned and you will be issued with a new registration
SV8Predator said:
Fastpedeller said:
A mystery to me how JLR are going to produce the "missing, never started" extra 6 lightweight E types to original spec and get around the rules?
They are manufacturers, and as such, can supply a 'certificate of newness'.'Buy a single donor vehicle and use enough parts to obtain required points as found on DVLA form ( usually engine, gearbox, axles, steering) and you will get an age related registration, not the donor reg as this is surrendered with the V5, DVLA note the car as scrapped'
This is mighty close to what I am hoping for, just wondering if the re-bodied and re-chassied masterpiece will retain the donors 'Historic Vehicle' status.
rogerowen said:
That might get messy, how will its tax bracket be established I wonder. It won't meet emission regs for any of the newer car tiers.
It gets the 'old type' pre emissions regulations banding - so if over 1500cc it's £230(note the above description and price may not be correct, as it's just from memory - but that's the principal)
rogerowen said:
'Buy a single donor vehicle and use enough parts to obtain required points as found on DVLA form ( usually engine, gearbox, axles, steering) and you will get an age related registration, not the donor reg as this is surrendered with the V5, DVLA note the car as scrapped'
This is how I ended up with a "G" reg on my Fury, the man from the LVLO accepted that the front & rear suspension were sierra (only the hub carriers are) also the gearbox (it was) & the engine (I'd had the engine number swapped by Swansea so the X-flow was on the Sierra's V5). I took the attitude that I'd answer the questions truthfully but not offer any additional information, so:-"Is this the engine shown on the donor's V5?" - "yes".
"Is the suspension from the donor?" - "All the re-used suspension parts come from the donor".
I wouldn't have quarreled if he'd given me a "Q", he decided the car qualified for an age related plate.
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