Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 - N0 has landed for 7.2 GT3 RS

[BMCG]

For those who have been waiting MPSC version 2, they have arrived in 7.2 GT3 RS standard fit (245/35 19 & 325/30 19) N SPEC...N0 to be precise.

cf: http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...

Listed under the "Sizes and Labelling Classes" tab.

Basis a very quick ring around..the UK supply chain is rather haphazardly aware..

Two OPC's were oblivious to the entire issue...what's new??...

but Event Tyres (no affiliation) had stock.

[Skittles001]

BMCG said:

For those who have been waiting MPSC version 2, they have arrived in 7.2 GT3 RS standard fit (245/35 19 & 325/30 19) N SPEC...N0 to be precise.

cf: http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-spo...

Listed under the "Sizes and Labelling Classes" tab.

Basis a very quick ring around..the UK supply chain is rather haphazardly aware..

Two OPC's were oblivious to the entire issue...what's new??...

but Event Tyres (no affiliation) had stock.

Damn. Just put a new set of Cup 1s on.... Looks like I need to wear them out quickly!

[Nurburgsingh]

I must be doing it wrong... I cant see the Cup2 on Event tyres. ??

[BMCG]

Nurburgsingh said:

I must be doing it wrong... I cant see the Cup2 on Event tyres. ??

Call them...to my surprise despite not being listed on website...they had stock.

Ordered a set.

Reverse of mytyres..who were showing stock online..but in reality had none left.

[DiscoColin]

Then have been around for a few weeks now I believe.

A footnote to this thread which is perhaps even more long awaited is that Cup2 is also available (non-N, but doesn't matter as none of them are young enough to renew a warranty on now) in 996.2 GT3 sizes for 18" rims.

Everyone who needs tyres and will drive on track : this is the one that you want.

[arcamalpha]

Interesting that they offer sizes that aren't on their own chart! I have them on my 7.2 GT3 but that's not listed for some reason!

[ttdan]

A trye dealer i spoke to at the 'ring said he was still selling more cup 1's for track use than cup 2's....just saying.

[DiscoColin]

I've done 4 track days (including one very wet) and a few thousand road miles on the Cup2 so far and find that they are better in every way than the Cup+ with the caveat that they are if anything even more pressure sensitive. Get those right though and they have at least as much grip in the dry, miles more grip in the wet (and do not aquaplane anything like as easily), are at least as progressive and as for wear... With that extra 1mm of tread depth and multi-compound construction the point of greatest wear on mine still has more tread depth than a brand new set of Cup 1s. Even allowing for the discounting of the old Cups that is going on to clear down the inventories this means that the Cup2 is more cost effective regardless. It isn't quite a game changer or anything like that, but for the first time ever it equates to a material decrease in the running costs to track a GT3.

Dan - did he say who was buying the Cup 1s? The E46 M3 brigade are much more numerous, know that the Cup is being discontinued and also know that they will not be getting Cup2 in their sizes for another year or so (from what they have been told so far, according to my contact in the overseas CSL community) so they will be stocking up a bit... Obviously anyone only changing an axle at a time will also be stuck with what they have and finally most don't know that Cup2 is available with manufacturer ratings yet, plus up until a couple of weeks ago the Cup+ was the only option for people wanting to stay N rated with pork.

So I I wouldn't read too much into your tyre-seller with a need to reduce his inventory of the old product...

[arcamalpha]

DiscoColin said:

they are if anything even more pressure sensitive.

What pressures are you running (road and track)?

I've found that 28F 30R cold seems about right on the road. 33 all round hot on track.

[Nurburgsingh]

Nurburgsingh said:

From the Michelin website for Cup2's...

INFLATION PRESSURE ADVICES

On the track for majority of car (*)
Cold tires
• Inflate the MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup2 with a pressure between 1.7 bar (24 psi) and 1.8 bar (26 psi) front & rear
• Never allow the pressure to be below 1.5 bar (22 psi)

Hot tires
• The optimal operating pressure of the MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup2 must be between 2.3 bar (33 psi) and 2.5 bar (36 psi) Front & Rear
• Never allow the tyres to run below 2,0 bar (29 psi) HOT

Road use
• Use the cold pressures recommended by the car manufacturer

• This information applies to the majority of cars regulalry used on circuits e.g: Audi R8, BMW M3 E90 / E46 / F80, Porsche GT3 / GT3 RS / 911 Carrera / Boxster/Cayman, Renault Megane RS, Subaru Impreza/WRX/BRZ

[DiscoColin]

arcamalpha said:

What pressures are you running (road and track)?

I've found that 28F 30R cold seems about right on the road. 33 all round hot on track.

We are finding much the same then : 28F 30R Cold for road (comes up a bit once you are underway) and 30F 33R Hot on track works well for me. Grip drops off by 33 on the front and 36 on the rear on my setup. As they are coming up to pressure the grip arrives from 28F 31R, so the optimum pressure range is only really a couple of pounds either side of the ideal. I am running 245 fronts and 305 rears on a Clubsport (-3 degrees of camber on the front and -2.5 on the rear). Wear is symmetrical left to right and within 1mm front to rear and 0.5mm inner to outer of each tyre after the use detailed in my earlier post. Point of greatest wear is currently the inner track of all 4 wheels at 4.8mm. This is in all respects better than I was finding with the Cup+.

Edited by DiscoColin on Saturday 12th July 19:41

[arcamalpha]

DiscoColin said:

arcamalpha said:

What pressures are you running (road and track)?

I've found that 28F 30R cold seems about right on the road. 33 all round hot on track.

We are finding much the same then : 28F 30R Cold for road (comes up a bit once you are underway) and 30F 33R Hot on track works well for me. Grip drops off by 33 on the front and 36 on the rear on my setup. As they are coming up to pressure the grip arrives from 28F 31R, so the optimum pressure range is only really a couple of pounds either side of the ideal. I am running 245 fronts and 305 rears on a Clubsport (-3 degrees of camber on the front and -2.5 on the rear). Wear is symmetrical left to right and within 1mm front to rear and 0.5mm inner to outer of each tyre after the use detailed in my earlier post. Point of greatest wear is currently the inner track of all 4 wheels at 4.8mm. This is in all respects better than I was finding with the Cup+.

Edited by DiscoColin on Saturday 12th July 19:41

Helpful, thanks. I'll try lower front pressure and next time on track and see.

[JarmoL]

Good info on pressures, thanks.

I just got mine (18") installed today. Here the dumb question of the day: Just to confirm.. there shoudn't be different tread pattern for left and right sides of the car? Grooving on the edge of tires is angled somewhat so it points to different direction on each side of the car?

[DiscoColin]

JarmoL said:

Just to confirm.. there shoudn't be different tread pattern for left and right sides of the car?

Nope. The last tyre for Porkers that suffered from that was original (now discontinued) the Pirelli Corsa, which had asymmetric rears (the newer version of that tyre no longer does). For Michelins you just need to ensure that they are the right way around (there is an inner and an outer side, but they are not directional).

[JarmoL]

Thanks for confirming this. I have lots of trackdays coming so it'll be interesting to see how the new setup (tires and suspension) compare to old one! Can't wait.