RE: Italian coachbuilding is dead: Tell Me I'm Wrong
RE: Italian coachbuilding is dead: Tell Me I'm Wrong
Friday 11th July 2014

Italian coachbuilding is dead: Tell Me I'm Wrong

Is it the end for Italian style?



We're here to report the sad death of the Italian sports car industry. Not the cars themselves, thank goodness, but the way they're made.

GranTurismo will, literally, be last of the line
GranTurismo will, literally, be last of the line
It'll happen next year in all likelihood, when the last Maserati GranTurismo leaves the marque's Modena factory. This series of redbrick buildings on Viale Ciro Menotti is where Masers have been assembled since 1939 and where they still do it the old way. And by old way we mean they get someone else to do the bulk of it.

Makers like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Alfa Romeo have a long and rich history with the north Italian carrozzerie, or coachbuilders, with names like Vignale, Pininfarina and Bertone for ever associated with some of the most beautiful cars in the world. But no maker has a stronger connection with them than Maserati.

Getting a man in
The roll-call of coachbuilders who designed and often built the bodies for cars bearing the Trident badge is long. We saw it in their signatures prominent on cars within the stunning museum display at the Museo Enzo Ferrari recently. The Pininfarina 'F' (oddly close to the Facebook F) the Touring Superleggera wings, the futuristic 'by Michelotti' flourish. Maserati courted them all, and fittingly the brand is the last in the region to hang onto the old methods.

There's only one robot in the whole place
There's only one robot in the whole place
We were lucky enough to get to nose round the Modena factory and we could see it clearly: this is old-school manufacturing. Nothing is built here - in fact there's just one solitary robot, applying the glue to bond in the windscreen. The rest is assembly by hand.

As in the old days, those gorgeous GranTurismo and GranCabrio bodies are shipped in from Turin, but not before taking a 10-mile detour via Maranello to the Ferrari factory where they get painted. Ferrari of course also supplies the V8 engines, something that the engineering-savvy Maserati brothers would be shocked by, but they would have been entirely comfortable with the bodies arriving by lorry.

Clean sheet metal
"Up to a few models ago Maserati didn't have a coachbuilding factory," Lorenzo Ramaciotti, head of global design for Fiat and the man responsible for the stunning Alfieri concept, tells PistonHeads. The coachbuilders started out life as highly skilled panel beaters and Modena was famous for them. Local race addicts like the Maserati brothers, Enzo Ferrari and Vittorio Stanguellini turned to them to create slippery, lightweight racecar bodies from the 30s onward. At the forefront was Touring Superleggera, whose complex tube frames overlaid with thin alloy panels became the standard for racing bodies.

Pininfarina A6 GCS typical of early collaborations
Pininfarina A6 GCS typical of early collaborations
While Maserati and co were busy building chassis and engines, it was the panel-beaters themselves who were responsible for the look of the cars so it was only natural they found themselves morphing into designers as well.

Turin, a couple hundred miles northeast of Modena, became the coachbuilder/designers heartland. The city was home to the likes of Vignale, Bertone, Italdesign, Pininfarina and Ghia and they expanded their customer base far beyond the Modena racers. In fact some turned car producers in their own right - fastening their own elegantly turned coupe or cabrio bodies onto a more prosaic chassis and drivetrain combination supplied by manufacturers not just in Italy, but all over the globe.

Local knowledge
The world swooned over cars like the Pininfarina-bodied Maserati A6 GCS/53 Berlinetta, but the real money was coming from making more accessible cars like the 1200-1600 Coupe and Cabriolet for Fiat in the late 50s, early 60s, a model line that Pininfarina made in their thousands. This continued until quite recently with cars like the Ford Focus CC, Alfa Romeo Brera, and Volvo C70 made by the company.

Pininfarina/Alfa link typical of mainstream efforts
Pininfarina/Alfa link typical of mainstream efforts
But life for the coachbuilders is pretty grim now. Those who weren't snapped up by global makers (Vignale and Ghia went to Ford in the 70s, Giugiaro's ItalDesign was bought by VW in 2010) are struggling.

Earlier this year Bertone entered bankruptcy proceedings while the courts looked for a buyer. Judging by the dead phone numbers on the firm's website, that hasn't gone well.

Pininfarina meanwhile is now largely owned by its creditors and the most recent company report declared a financial loss for the design house for 2013. A body blow came last year when Ferrari chairman Luca di Montezemolo revealed that the LaFerrari wasn't designed by Pininfarina, only the second production car from the firm not to be since 1951 (the Dino 308 GT4 was designed and built by Bertone).

4C bodies are finished at the Maser factory
4C bodies are finished at the Maser factory
Reality check
The reality is that the car makers can now do what they couldn't before: cost-effectively build low-volume on flexible production lines. "Having a cabrio or a special version built at a carrozzeria is an expensive exercise for OEMs, due to lack of scale economies, fixed costs, mark-up the coach builder etc," Matteo Fini, principle analyst at IHS Automotive, told PH.

Now even the luxury and sports brands like Maserati are making entire cars in-house. "Today the Quattroporte and Ghibli come out of a factory that has been vertically integrated from the stamped metal to the assembled vehicle at the completed end," says Ramaciotti. Less romantic for sure, but more precise and more cost effective.

He says it's "not decided" where the Alfieri 2+2 will be built from 2016, but given it's based on Ghibli parts it looks a dead cert to come out of the same Turin plant, rather than fill the space of the Modena factory left by the exit of the GranTurismo.

Newly ambitious Maserati last to ditch old ways
Newly ambitious Maserati last to ditch old ways
Maserati has a plan to sell 75,000 cars a year by 2018, up from around 14,000 last year. Those are a long way from the coachbuilt numbers of old and as if to say, we're not going back there again, the Turin factory in Grugliasco with all its robots and 'vertical integration' is actually Bertone's old plant that Maserati parent Fiat bought back in 2010. Nearby, Pininfarina's factory lies sadly empty after a highly ambitious attempt by its new owners to resurrect it by bringing back the DeTomaso brand failed.

The days of highly skilled craftsmen building bodies elsewhere is not entirely dead. In the same Modena plant but on a separate line we watched the Alfa Romeo 4C being assembled around the carbon fibre monocoque that starts out life in Nottingham (of all places) before being baked in southern Italy and being shipped up. Which is as expensive it as it sounds.

Life has definitely moved on from when Maserati's Modena factory was first built, as Giuseppe di Coste, product manager for the GranTurismo and our tour guide round the factory, laments. "This place was in the countryside in 1937 - now it's in the middle of town. It's very difficult to stay here."



   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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steviegunn

Original Poster:

1,424 posts

213 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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On life support but not yet dead thanks to recent builds like these:




365daytonafan

283 posts

214 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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steviegunn said:
On life support but not yet dead thanks to recent builds like these:



Agreed, the days of Pininfarina and Bertone being manufacturers are gone. There is still space for them to produce special projects and concepts and provide design consultancy to the big manufacturers.

robinessex

12,010 posts

210 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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There are 'metal bashing' companies in the UK who are capapable of making bespoke aluminium bodies. They just need someone to ask them.

suffolk009

7,861 posts

194 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Is my computer slowly dying? The font size is all over the place in that article.

GilesGuthrie

169 posts

176 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Oh wow, that Pininfarina A6 GCS is utterly beautiful.

I didn't get that Disco Volante at all, when Clarkson was drooling all over it. And I suppose that's the issue, isn't it? No room in this world for low-volume specials that induce love/hate views from the buying public. If you can't sell 5,000 of them, there's no money in it.

NXXN

111 posts

155 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Presumably there's still a GranTurismo replacing model above the Alfieri.

Itsallicanafford

2,943 posts

188 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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...excellent article, thanks!

TimLambert7

719 posts

154 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Impact bumpers, crumple zones and pedestrian safety measures have killed off the truly beautiful car.

What makes the 60s Ferraris, Alfas and Maseratis just so beautiful is the 'dainty' design. They are small cars with very fine details that follow from the roofline right to the bottom of the bumper. The incorporation of ghastly bumpers has removed these nuances and wrecked the two most important parts of a car's style. We will never see such beautiful vehicles again.

The F-type is widely hailed as the best looking car of recent years - but has anyone noticed the size of it? It's bloody enormous and that completely ruins it for me.

Best article on PH for many months now. Nice to see it's been properly subbed as well. Keep up the good work.

LOW4LYFE

159 posts

150 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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I think blaming legislation is a bit of a lazy kop out. What the poster above is touching on seems rather to be hitting out in changing production techniques where instead of a metal body with a small metal bumper we've gone to metal bodies with much larger plastic bumpers. This change happened long before various bits of safety legislation.

It doesn't surprise me that the likes of Bertone have gone bust. Looks are subjective but even the most hardened Bertone fan must surely admit that their designs of the last 20 years have been no where near as good or influential as the ones that came before it. They aren't alone either, I think Zagato are in a similar position to this.

Given the family have taken possession of the Bertone trademark, and the heritage that comes with it is intact, I doubt it is truly the end for them.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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You're wrong.

TimLambert7

719 posts

154 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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LOW4LYFE said:
I think blaming legislation is a bit of a lazy kop out. What the poster above is touching on seems rather to be hitting out in changing production techniques where instead of a metal body with a small metal bumper we've gone to metal bodies with much larger plastic bumpers. This change happened long before various bits of safety legislation.

It doesn't surprise me that the likes of Bertone have gone bust. Looks are subjective but even the most hardened Bertone fan must surely admit that their designs of the last 20 years have been no where near as good or influential as the ones that came before it. They aren't alone either, I think Zagato are in a similar position to this.

Given the family have taken possession of the Bertone trademark, and the heritage that comes with it is intact, I doubt it is truly the end for them.
I don't mean to be 'blaming' the legislation, cars have become safer because of it and on that basis alone it is wholly necessary; what I do think is that the affects the legislation has had on car design means we won't have anything the same again. It's the only real variable I can see (other than increased size for practicality).

You say that the large plastic bumpers came before impact bumper/crumple zone safety legislation. What do you think caused the change from small metal bumpers to larger plastic ones, if not safety regs? I'm genuinely interested to know.

The main design houses were cutting edge back in the 60s and I'm sure those designs looked quite extreme back then, but I do agree that some of their more recent efforts haven't been quite as good.

Fetchez la vache

5,900 posts

243 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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suffolk009 said:
Is my computer slowly dying? The font size is all over the place in that article.
It was, though oddly is fine at the top of this comments page...

Pistachio

1,116 posts

219 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Coachbuilding is not dead but is done in a different way today.
But the advancement in Rapid prototypingn and CAD data make it even easier today to create a bespoke vehicle in a relatively short period of time. Also the showcars are now able to be far more useable running vehicles than they use to be.
So coachbuilding is not dead just in a renaissance, hence all the special vehicle operations that are springing up all over the place.

DonkeyApple

69,800 posts

198 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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TimLambert7 said:
Impact bumpers, crumple zones and pedestrian safety measures have killed off the truly beautiful car.

What makes the 60s Ferraris, Alfas and Maseratis just so beautiful is the 'dainty' design. They are small cars with very fine details that follow from the roofline right to the bottom of the bumper. The incorporation of ghastly bumpers has removed these nuances and wrecked the two most important parts of a car's style. We will never see such beautiful vehicles again.

The F-type is widely hailed as the best looking car of recent years - but has anyone noticed the size of it? It's bloody enormous and that completely ruins it for me.

Best article on PH for many months now. Nice to see it's been properly subbed as well. Keep up the good work.
It's also a result of chasing volumes. They build cars to fit as many shapes and sizes as possible. That's as much a killer of beauty. As soon as you decide to build a car for a fat, oik with piles and a bad back from lugging his excessive weight around and is so frail he needs his seat belt to be motorised or his left testicle sweat kept abated then you enter today's world of slab sided, chunky, inelegant, mass produced, generic blandness.

Jayinjapan

102 posts

175 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Fetchez la vache said:
suffolk009 said:
Is my computer slowly dying? The font size is all over the place in that article.
It was, though oddly is fine at the top of this comments page...
Nope me too, been like it for a few days. Open the comments though and all seems fine as Monsieur la Vache kindly pointed out. Will be doing that from now on before reading.

heavyearly76

54 posts

168 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Fiat dropped the ball (IMO) when they decided to design the new Quattroporte in-house. Look at this bloated marketing exercise versus the original perfectly proportioned GTS:



Behemoth

2,105 posts

160 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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robinessex said:
There are 'metal bashing' companies in the UK who are capapable of making bespoke aluminium bodies. They just need someone to ask them.
You will find none with the 3d design aesthetic of northern Italy. They've had it since the renaissance. It comes from living amongst sculptural and architectural beauty and untold generations of 3d designers, whether in fashion, furniture or automotive. Sorry, but that's unavailable in the British industrial heartlands. Good metal bashing may be available, but works of art are not.

Dave G fsi

988 posts

159 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Jayinjapan said:
Fetchez la vache said:
suffolk009 said:
Is my computer slowly dying? The font size is all over the place in that article.
It was, though oddly is fine at the top of this comments page...
Nope me too, been like it for a few days. Open the comments though and all seems fine as Monsieur la Vache kindly pointed out. Will be doing that from now on before reading.
Me too, same for a few days

davea18h

106 posts

153 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Surely a lot of the 'blame' (for want of a better word) lies with monocoque design that has taken over just about all cars? As well as the huge amount of crash protection, air bags, crumple zones, bumper heights, bonnet heights etc etc that has already been mentionioned. There used to be a separate chassis that would give you quite a free hand in terms of styling. I would have thought with the monocoque design, along with safety legislation, you are far more restricted as well?

Luca Brasi

885 posts

203 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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heavyearly76 said:
Fiat dropped the ball (IMO) when they decided to design the new Quattroporte in-house. Look at this bloated marketing exercise versus the original perfectly proportioned GTS:


Fully agree, new QP looks awful. Prefacelift QP's V still easily the best looking 4-door ever.