Xenon mot rules
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chriz1

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733 posts

244 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Whats the deal with retrofitting xenon headlights my e90 currently has halogens but want to fit xenon headlights In time for winter frown
Do I need to install washers and auto levellers, seems if they aren't fitted I don't need them bit confused...

E30M3SE

8,493 posts

225 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Yes, needs hlw and self levelling system.

http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/MOT%20Changes%20-%...

chriz1

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733 posts

244 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Many thanks that's added another £200 to the retrofit.
Thanks though

mcford

819 posts

203 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Cleaning and levelling is only tested if fitted, unless you are in Northern Ireland where they are required to be fitted for their MOT.

Dodsy

7,175 posts

256 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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MOT site says only tested if fitted. Not mandatory

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_170.htm

Not sure how official this site is though.

Googie

2,336 posts

155 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Understand where you are coming from here as standard halogen bulbs are very poor particularly on unlit rural roads -high intensity halogen bulbs are a significant improvement over standard and a cheaper option.

jkh112

23,933 posts

187 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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From my first hand experience, I can confirm only tested at MOT if fitted. If not fitted then not part of the test.

chriz1

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733 posts

244 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Yes this is what I initially read, but reading that link in 2nd post it's pretty straight forward in it needs to be fitted!

jkh112

23,933 posts

187 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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My cars have not failed for having hid headlights without self levelling or washers.

Dodsy

7,175 posts

256 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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If you are after brightness rather than just the fashion look of HIDs then get some brighter halogen bulbs. I put some OSRAM nightbreakers in, made a huge difference and a lot cheaper than going HID. Halfords also do an own brand brighter bulb which is also pretty good.

Oldandslow

2,405 posts

235 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Been through this in NI

From VOSA's own lips for GB,
HLW's - If fitted must be working
Levelling - Not tested.

DVA Northern Ireland,
HLW's - must be fitted and working
Levelling - Not tested

Your real worry is making sure the beam pattern and alignment are good.

Dodsy

7,175 posts

256 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Oldandslow said:
Your real worry is making sure the beam pattern and alignment are good.
This is the big problem. If you are fitting HIDS you need to change the whole headlight or you'll just blind everyone.

ViperDave

5,775 posts

282 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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I'd go with the latest MOT manual published on the government web site and dated April 2013 rather than the technical pen that was issued before the regs came in and of which caused a great deal of confusion in 2011. Plus there are plenty of people who have passed their mot with HID's and no SL or HLW.

The net result of the confusion prior to the regs was the "if fitted" being added to the GB manual and left out of the N Ireland one

http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/b...

Rich_W

12,548 posts

241 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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With the rules the key word is "IF fitted"

It's too ambiguous IMO. to the OP, you're more likely to fail on beam pattern though. So do some research before paying out for one of these micky mouse kits from eBay.

FWIW, some decent bulbs would be a better more effective process. PIAA or Osram spring to mind


chriz1

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733 posts

244 months

Saturday 12th July 2014
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Ok thanks everyone

chriz1

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733 posts

244 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Just an update and for future reference I contacted vosa themselves for clarification and this is what I had back


Thank you for your e-mail enquiry dated 12th July 2014, concerning xenon headlights.

DVSA's role, in respect of MOT testing, is to ensure that the test meets the requirements of both domestic and European legislation.

HID headlamps are extremely bright (over 2000 lumens) and are far more likely to dazzle other road users than conventional headlamps. For this reason, the Type Approval requirements for vehicles fitted with HID headlamps necessitates the fitment of automatic headlamp or suspension levelling systems to keep the headlamps level under varying loads and a headlamp washing system to help prevent the build up of dirt and grime on the lamp which can cause the light to refract and therefore dazzle.

The MOT inspection in Great Britain and all other EU Member States must comply with the European Framework Directive on roadworthiness tests for motor vehicles. This Directive was amended in 2010 to include testing of many components not previously covered, including headlamp washing systems (where required). The MOT test was therefore amended to incorporate the additional items, once the domestic legislation had been amended to include these items in the test. Failure to comply with the Directive would have resulted in infraction proceedings against the government, resulting in millions of Euros in fines.

Clearly, road users being blinded by an oncoming vehicle's headlamps would affect the road safety of the occupants of these vehicles as well as those in the offending vehicle.

There is a difference between the legality of retro fitted HID headlamps and whether they will pass an MOT test. In general terms, after-market HID headlamps are illegal if fitted without the appropriate self levelling and washing systems and this is explained in the attached DfT Information Sheet.

In respect of the MOT test, headlamp washing and levelling systems for HID lamps are only checked where they are fitted.



HiD and LED headlamp levelling and washing systems will only be tested where they are fitted. If they are found to be inoperative or otherwise obviously defective they will fail. In the case of headlamp levelling, the tester must be certain that the system is operative before failing, as on some of these systems it is not possible to readily determine that they work as intended.

The reason the test is this way is because not all HiD headlamps are legally required to be fitted with these systems. To be mandatory, the headlamp has to be over 2000 lumen. Generally, it is not possible for an MOT tester to determine whether this is the case, so the test is 'simplified' to take account of this.

I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.

PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

247 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Dodsy said:
Oldandslow said:
Your real worry is making sure the beam pattern and alignment are good.
This is the big problem. If you are fitting HIDS you need to change the whole headlight or you'll just blind everyone.
You don't if its a modern car with a clear lens, there are two types of HID bulb one for projector housings and one for reflector housings. If its an older car with a refracting glass lens then you are quite right and the light unit must be changed otherwise it will dazzle anybody coming towards it.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

241 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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chriz1 said:
Just an update and for future reference I contacted vosa themselves for clarification and this is what I had back...


...I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
That has not clarified it at all has it! laugh