RE: Mercedes-AMG GT: Preview
RE: Mercedes-AMG GT: Preview
Tuesday 5th August 2014

Mercedes-AMG GT: Preview

Harris doesn't like doing 'ride' stories; makes an exception for the AMG GT



The main problem with being a car obsessive as well as a journalist is the accompanying inability to resist inefficiencies that pander to the former and hinder the latter.

"So when can I drive it?"
"So when can I drive it?"
This is how I found myself in the passenger seat of a development AMG GT S coupe, rolling down Highway 25 with company boss Tobias Moers. That's right, having publicly stated that I'd never again endure one of those god-awful pre-launch shotgun rides, I'm here for one of those god-awful pre-launch shotgun rides.

But it's a chance to have a nose around a car that I've waited so long to see, so all professional inefficiencies went out the window, but I stopped short of telling Mercedes that I was coming along out of personal curiosity.

The GT will come in two forms, the base GT is yet to be confirmed with around 460hp and the S model I'm sitting in with 510hp and 479lb ft. From launch, the only model available will be the S. AMG doesn't really want this car being referred to as a short-wheelbase SLS, but the description isn't inaccurate. The car shares many structural parts with the bigger Gullwing, including the floor, the A-pillars and the rear bulkhead. But the conventional doors necessitate a new roof and the car is 50mm shorter ahead of the front scuttle. In all areas of twist and bend, this shell is superior to the SLS.

Definitely not an SLS SWB
Definitely not an SLS SWB
The rear axle design is completely new, but the front suspension is pure SLS - anyone who has seen those vast, expensive forgings will realise that they're some of the best hand-me-downs in the business.

Donor card
A transaxle gearbox sits behind the occupants - it's the same seven-speed Getrag DCT found in the SLS - taking power from the latest AMG powerplant, the 4.0-litre bi-turbo V8. Its internal nickname is, rather deliciously, the 'hot V'. Yes, it will inevitably lack the sharpness of the old M156 normally aspirated motor, but it's a very trick bit of kit.

The 'hot V' refers to the two turbochargers wedged in between the cylinder heads, which are fed by vast intercoolers and then cooled by an intake which runs all the way under the bonnet. The block sits very low too, thanks to dry sump lubrication.

The reason for the US trip in disguised cars is a final set of sign-off evaluation tests - and some valuable miles in what remains by far the most important market for a sports car, the US. The cars have been subjected to the type of brutality we read about in stories like this and barely digest. In response to me asking about intake temperatures, Tobias causally talks about lapping some proving ground in Phoenix at 312km/h (194mph) in 48 degrees ambient. "The cooling is excellent", he says with a sizeable grin.

Make your own guesses about the looks!
Make your own guesses about the looks!
Hot V
What about the move to turbochargers on a car of this type? "I'm so pleased with the throttle response. I have a standard test which is maximum acceleration in third gear, then braking, then straight back to full power, the way this engine picks-up is very impressive." All said as we mooch past a snoozing State Trooper at 58mph in seventh gear.

What's the cabin like? Wide. The GT is as wide as an SLS, but a good deal shorter. The vast transmission tunnel houses a carbon prop shaft and atop it, and inside, sits the new AMG control layout. It's a little different to before with individual configurations available for shift speed, dampers and level of traction control, and a manual override button that now works in all shift maps. The cherry on the cake is a race mode that defaults to a maximum power shift map and the largest amount of slip available with the chassis computer switched on.

Sick bag
I know this because after a couple of hours cruising we head into Pikes Peak International Raceway - like Indianapolis built for Legoland. It's tiny, but it has space to play, and Tobias kindly throws me around as I do my best impression of the worst passenger in history. It's at this point I promise myself I will never attend one of these passenger ride scenarios ever again. I never thought I'd say "The last time I blundered was on my stag-do" to the boss of AMG.

Well of course it does this
Well of course it does this
What could I tell from riding shotgun? It's fast, proper fast, but despite the two-and-a-half-years of calibration work that goes into a project like this the motor doesn't quite have that bite above 6,000rpm. But that's also a measure of how potent it feels below 4,000rpm. Even on half-throttle openings, Moers is managing big oversteer angles through the standard fit Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Does it feel like a 911? Nope. Does it feel like an F-Type Coupe? Hell yes.

The Getrag dual clutch gearbox is identical to the one used by Mercedes in the SLS and Ferrari in the 458, but it has been comprehensively updated for this application. I won't bother with the milliseconds claims, but it now feels instant, can nudge you in the back if you so require and is very smooth at low speed.

And then there's the noise. It's pure AMG V8. The S model comes with exhaust flaps as standard and a noisy button on that vast centre console. It'll do the great phlegmy V8 whoop from start up, blares like the best of them at speed and in Race mode the overrun pops are more war-zone than Nordschleife. Tobias knows where he has a competitive advantage from his powertrains: "We don't need loudspeakers" he grins.

And his timing is good. The 991 is not bossing the class quite the way its predecessor did, leaving opportunities for AMG and Jaguar to persuade people that front-engined solutions are available. If it looks right - and I genuinely have no idea how it looks - I think the Porsche will find life even more difficult.







 

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Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

259 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Wow, it's as wide as the SLS? That's a shame as that's the one thing I didn't like about the SLS. Can't really see why it needs to be, either.

JMo22

99 posts

208 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Beefmeister said:
Wow, it's as wide as the SLS? That's a shame as that's the one thing I didn't like about the SLS. Can't really see why it needs to be, either.
Indeed. Can't see it being suitable for UK roads is this is the case and means they've missed one of the key tricks of the 911 being an every day sports car. Imagine it will have big presence though so good for posing around Chelsea.

Atmospheric

5,346 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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You guys are right. There's no need for this car to be so wide - but remember, this is a US car, so it will suit them fine.

myhandle

1,297 posts

203 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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JMo22 said:
Indeed. Can't see it being suitable for UK roads is this is the case and means they've missed one of the key tricks of the 911 being an every day sports car. Imagine it will have big presence though so good for posing around Chelsea.
It won't be as good for posing as the SLS, and that was not as good as the SLR. Every generation they take their sportscar downmarket, and make it less special. There is certainly room for a proper SLR-style supercar above this in their range.

FrankUnderwood

6,635 posts

243 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I would rather have a used etc etc


cidered77

1,903 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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So, looks like it'll be a very competent, very capable and probably very quick sub £100k sports car... but struggling to see why people are going to be drawn to it in numbers.

What's its USP? the 991 has the 2 rear seats which instantly opens it up to thousands more potential customers, plus makes it wife-friendly. The F-type has those looks (this without any disguise is going to look like.... a very capable and competent Mercedes sports car!), the Aston is looking a bit tired in this company but still has the cool-factor even now and BMW has the I8 which while not a convertible is to me at least more interesting in Literally Every Way Imaginable! There isn't even the "old school"/ analogue argument going for it, as the thing has turbos like everything else!

Nice enough car, just don't see what it is going to bring to the table...

McAndy

16,634 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Dear AMG,

Please stop pissing around and reveal it already. The back currently does a good impression of a Chrysler Crossfire and that is not good.

Yours sincerely,

Mr I Can'tBelieveYouWillHaveMadeYourNewCarLookLikeASquattingDog

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Its a German F-Type R. Without the looks.
Or the Merc USP Gullwing doors.

er....

peter450

1,650 posts

262 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Be interesting to see this, its a shame the big 6 + litre n/a engine is not coming along for the ride

Chris-R

756 posts

216 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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A sawn-off SLS. What's not to like? They've even done it on schedule... smile

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Vast.

dlockhart

434 posts

201 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Whats the USP of the Audi R8? that sells pretty well. I am pretty sure that is where this car is aimed

rj1986

1,107 posts

197 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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dlockhart said:
Whats the USP of the Audi R8? that sells pretty well. I am pretty sure that is where this car is aimed
Can be used daily (a la 911) & has v10
or
Pretend to be Tony Stark/ Iron man

zeppelin101

724 posts

221 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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rj1986 said:
Pretend to be Tony Stark/ Iron man
I'd have an R8 to pretend to be Tony Stark, got to be honest.

cidered77

1,903 posts

226 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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dlockhart said:
Whats the USP of the Audi R8? that sells pretty well. I am pretty sure that is where this car is aimed
Mid-engined, lovely manual gearbox and large NA engines, was a genuinely fresh and bold piece of design when it showed up, and still turns heads now. In recent years, lots of recognition from motorsport (always winning in GT3)

R8 is probably getting a bit old now, but when it rocked up it was special and in a much less crowded market and so sold well, and generated a following. Can't see it with this thing - even the name is uninspiring!

Dagnut

3,515 posts

222 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Beefmeister said:
Wow, it's as wide as the SLS? That's a shame as that's the one thing I didn't like about the SLS. Can't really see why it needs to be, either.
The F-type is pretty wide as well. I suppose it doesn't really matter in the major markets but despite that it makes a big difference if you live in London.

scotstuscan

26 posts

229 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Great machine and worthy successor to the SLS, be very interesting to see how much the SLS prices fall when this is launched, probably 30%+

moffat

1,020 posts

254 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I think it will be amazing.

I've driven the SLS on UK roads and not sure what all the fuss is about with regards 'girth' [snigger]. It didn't feel intimidating to drive to me, it felt epic!

I am keen to hear more about the new engine, especially as I will be looking to buy a new C63 in a couple of years and I hope it retains some of the M156's charm. It won't be hard to beat the M3/4 engine which is a no-show in terms of character and noise even with the fake speaker trickery.

jamespink

1,218 posts

233 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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This will be an epic car, yes its big but in the US (where MB will sell these by the bucket load) this matters not. Personally I think I could just squeeze one down the road to the office biglaugh

purpleliability

627 posts

214 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Unless things have changed, air intakes feed turbos and turbos feed intercoolers.

Sounds interesting having the turbos in the middle of the V, like the latest M5 V8 too...