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FesterNath

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652 posts

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Tuesday 14th December 2004
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How about banishing reliability concerns of TVR engines once and for all by fitting a 'big 6' from a major manufacturer? BMW M3 engine, for a quick example.

snorky

2,322 posts

280 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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what, those M3 engines that had all the recalls ???

FesterNath

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652 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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snorky said:
what, those M3 engines that had all the recalls ???


Yes, that were dealt with quickly and effectively. Maybe a bad example though.

How about a Chevy V8 in a Cerbera?

Ahonen

5,032 posts

308 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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NS won't have German engines because of WWII - yes, I'm serious. He hates ze Germans even more than Wheeler, if that's possible...

Targarama

14,780 posts

312 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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I think Volvo worked with Yamaha to develop the new V8 for the XC90. I wonder if TVR could do the same? This engine is supposed to be quite lightweight and seems to make plenty of power (assume real, not TVR power which is actualy measured in Blackpool beach donkeys, not horses - 400 donkeys = 300 horses ).

Ahonen

5,032 posts

308 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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mungo said:


Ahonen said:
NS won't have German engines because of WWII



You are kidding me!



Nope, not at all. NS isn't too bothered about racing Porsche in GT racing because he doesn't consider the Germans worthy opponents. I have this on very good authority.

Extraordinary, but true.

>> Edited by Ahonen on Tuesday 14th December 17:47

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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You can be as small minded as you like when you have £200m in the bank...

Besides putting a german engine in a TVR just wouldnt be cricket...

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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A BMW engine thats not in any other BMW though...

When were Ford German?

FesterNath

Original Poster:

652 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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Chevy V8 - the spiritual succesor to the Rover (nee Buick) V8?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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The block, in a different capacity is used as the base for the 850CSI, all 50 of them. The Mac F1 engine in its entirity is unique.

Jag engines are made in Bridgend, that doesnt make Jag Welsh now does it?

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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Its called the Cologne because its made in Fords engine plant in Cologne, just like the Essex was called the Essex because it was made in Dagenham.

Ford are American ergo its an American engine.

Calling the Jag 4.2 the Ogmore wouldnt make it any more Welsh...

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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On that we are agreed

ccharlie6

773 posts

269 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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so reading this about nicolai and his views on GT racing does that mean we arent going to see a factory race team any time soon?

go RSR at Le Mans Next Year!

Ahonen

5,032 posts

308 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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ccharlie6 said:
so reading this about nicolai and his views on GT racing does that mean we arent going to see a factory race team any time soon?


I think it's fair to say that the existing teams will carry out their own development. I know RSR is already designing new parts, while we're doing our own thing too.

Interstingly (well it's interesting for those of us who race T400Rs, maybe less so for others), the wide-track Le Mans specials have proven no faster than the narrow British-spec cars in back-to-back testing.

There is no factory TVR race team anymore and no sign at all of one being resurrected for '05. Almost all of the guys that were up there now work at Rollcentre... Road cars are, understandably, the current priority.

ccharlie6

773 posts

269 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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is it just on going development which meant that at LM this year the qually laps were way quicker (would a narrow track T400 have been able to do the same?)

at the LMES rounds the wide track was noticeably quicker than the dewalt car straights and corners.

do brit GT T400's and LM T400's run to the same rules (restrictors etc?) as i seem to remember a quote from the dewalt guys saying they were down on power compared to the rest of the Tivs.

shame about the factory but a good thing i guess road cars is where the money is

Ahonen

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308 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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ccharlie6 said:
is it just on going development which meant that at LM this year the qually laps were way quicker (would a narrow track T400 have been able to do the same?)

at the LMES rounds the wide track was noticeably quicker than the dewalt car straights and corners.

do brit GT T400's and LM T400's run to the same rules (restrictors etc?) as i seem to remember a quote from the dewalt guys saying they were down on power compared to the rest of the Tivs.

shame about the factory but a good thing i guess road cars is where the money is


Yes, ongoing development plays a huge part - just think of the lessons that were learned between this year and last.

There is a slight restrictor difference, I agree, but not much. There are also slight aero differences, though TVR has never really exploited them. The RSR car in Nigel's hands was quicker than the wide car at Silverstone, while in testing at Snet we managed to lap at the same speed as the wide car, after we'd sorted our front end issues.

The DeWalt car in LMES was driven by gentlemen racers, while the wide car had a couple of pros in it, which makes a huge difference.

The wide car could, eventually, prove to be considerably quicker, but evidence so far suggests it's a close call.

(Apologies for what has been a rather major thread hijack!)

christof

978 posts

313 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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Well, at least, a geman company is developing the suspension on the Sagaris.

And I've heard that there is a chance for a factory team at Le Mans in 2006.

Christof

Ahonen

5,032 posts

308 months

Wednesday 15th December 2004
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christof said:
Well, at least, a geman company is developing the suspension on the Sagaris.

And I've heard that there is a chance for a factory team at Le Mans in 2006.

Christof


Who's doing the suspension, Christof? I knew it was being done by different people to the usual consultant, but I've not heard who.

Yes, I have heard talk of a factory TVR attack in '06, but for not for '05.

christof

978 posts

313 months

Wednesday 15th December 2004
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Ahonen, check your mail...

bruciebabe

1,126 posts

270 months

Wednesday 15th December 2004
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Ahonen said:
NS won't have German engines because of WWII - yes, I'm serious. He hates ze Germans even more than Wheeler, if that's possible...


Nothing against the Germans here, just don't like their cars mutch. So why don't TVR use the Jag 4.2 litre 4 cam V8? Ford are happy to supply other specialist manufacturers. It is a thoroughly modern engine. Light alloy costruction. Is available blown and unblown. Has traditional TVR torque like the RV8. Proven reliability and cheap and easy to service. Is being used in the AMV8. Makes sense.
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