RTTM effects and mobile scam operations: Do they work?
Discussion
In-fact they make things look worse (KSI) if simple RTTM effect is removed according to:
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/08_mobile_report.ht...
The author does not over-simplify things the way that the incumbent road safety lot tend to however and admits other factors need to be examined.
Overall conclusion is that the impact of scammers on road safety is 'weak' at best... As we all know
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/08_mobile_report.ht...
The author does not over-simplify things the way that the incumbent road safety lot tend to however and admits other factors need to be examined.
Overall conclusion is that the impact of scammers on road safety is 'weak' at best... As we all know
I can easily say I spend far more time now looking out for talivans, police cars using laser speed guns & scameras hiding in laybys, on bridges & various other places than I used to. It actually makes driving more dangerous as your attention is distracted from looking as far ahead as possible and observing other hazards, and dedicated to spotting scumbags out for an easy "kill".
Most of the mobile cameras I have seen recentley have been situated on fast well sighted clear motorways & Dual carridgeways, (M40 & A34 for instance) with no other purpose other than to catch the average motorist who is quite safley travelling along at 80-90mph (along with the other 85% of road users!). No doubt the apologists will argue the law is the law and if you drive over 70mph then woe betide you and you know the risks etc etc, but the vast majority of drivers "speed" , hell most of the UK motorway & A road network operates at 80-90Mph now most of the time!
Except when the scameras are out for some easy collections, you never do see them at places that actually make sense do you?
Most of the mobile cameras I have seen recentley have been situated on fast well sighted clear motorways & Dual carridgeways, (M40 & A34 for instance) with no other purpose other than to catch the average motorist who is quite safley travelling along at 80-90mph (along with the other 85% of road users!). No doubt the apologists will argue the law is the law and if you drive over 70mph then woe betide you and you know the risks etc etc, but the vast majority of drivers "speed" , hell most of the UK motorway & A road network operates at 80-90Mph now most of the time!
Except when the scameras are out for some easy collections, you never do see them at places that actually make sense do you?
It would seem quite obvious to most of us that if you add a hazard to a road (speed camera vans clearly come in to that category as witnessed by virtually every single car braking when they see them), then it doesn't become safer. It's good to see some independent statistics that confirm this at last. It may be anecdotal, but last week I came upon a rear end shunt on a dual carriageway recently converted to 50mph for "traffic management reasons". 200 yards away was a speed camera van which was surely a significant factor (distracted by sight of van and eyes off road or braked suddenly when he saw van?).
Slightly off topic but related, they took around one million pounds in tickets and speed awareness courses on this 5 mile strech of road in the first few months of operations. (A1 western by-pass, Newcastle)
Slightly off topic but related, they took around one million pounds in tickets and speed awareness courses on this 5 mile strech of road in the first few months of operations. (A1 western by-pass, Newcastle)
"The author has not found any official report in which RTM effects have been measured (rather than just estimated) therefore the effects of the actual speed cameras have not been established. "
He didn't look very hard;
http://phys.org/news140443278.html
Dr Linda Mountain, from the University’s Department of Engineering, explains: “Although some parts of the road network are undoubtedly more dangerous than others, there is also a degree of randomness in where accidents occur – driver error, bad luck etc. – which means that an accident can happen anywhere. The obvious way to work out the true effects of cameras through a control group has been avoided because it involves deliberately leaving sites that would benefit from a camera with no equipment (or any other type of road safety scheme) which could cost lives.
“We used an alternative method for our analysis called Empirical Bayes. This takes into account uncertainty and predicts the mean number of accidents given what is known about the site – for example the type of road and the level of traffic on it. Our study looking at road accidents before and after the cameras were installed showed a fall in accidents of 19% allowing for regression-to-the-mean compared with a fall of 50% if the phenomenon had not been allowed for.”
She added: “Accident prediction models are essential to reliably evaluate the effectiveness of road safety measures and alternative design options.”
Read more at: http://phys.org/news140443278.html#jCp
He didn't look very hard;
http://phys.org/news140443278.html
Dr Linda Mountain, from the University’s Department of Engineering, explains: “Although some parts of the road network are undoubtedly more dangerous than others, there is also a degree of randomness in where accidents occur – driver error, bad luck etc. – which means that an accident can happen anywhere. The obvious way to work out the true effects of cameras through a control group has been avoided because it involves deliberately leaving sites that would benefit from a camera with no equipment (or any other type of road safety scheme) which could cost lives.
“We used an alternative method for our analysis called Empirical Bayes. This takes into account uncertainty and predicts the mean number of accidents given what is known about the site – for example the type of road and the level of traffic on it. Our study looking at road accidents before and after the cameras were installed showed a fall in accidents of 19% allowing for regression-to-the-mean compared with a fall of 50% if the phenomenon had not been allowed for.”
She added: “Accident prediction models are essential to reliably evaluate the effectiveness of road safety measures and alternative design options.”
Read more at: http://phys.org/news140443278.html#jCp
Also, this;
"Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/tfl_cyclist_contrib...
is complete and utter b
ks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.
Relying on Stats 19 for data is statistically innumerate, that webpage is bilge water set up by a crank.
If you don't believe me then email him and ask him to name the twenty four cyclists killed while exceeding the speed limit. (they don't exist).
"Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/tfl_cyclist_contrib...
is complete and utter b
ks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.Relying on Stats 19 for data is statistically innumerate, that webpage is bilge water set up by a crank.
If you don't believe me then email him and ask him to name the twenty four cyclists killed while exceeding the speed limit. (they don't exist).
RTTM is something the "safety" lot try to ignore or at best use dodgy stats to try and confuse. You ask "mobile scam operations, do they work ".
In making the roads safer, NO.Again dodgy stats using the worst figures are pulled out of a hat to convince someone ( I suspect the SCP organisation) that roads are safer using the worst year, which is one way they use stats in a misleading manner to try and convince folks that cameras do some good. Bad years after cameras are conveniently ignored .
In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes .
In making the roads safer, NO.Again dodgy stats using the worst figures are pulled out of a hat to convince someone ( I suspect the SCP organisation) that roads are safer using the worst year, which is one way they use stats in a misleading manner to try and convince folks that cameras do some good. Bad years after cameras are conveniently ignored .
In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes .
What? I've just shown you that RTTM is explicitly allowed for and that the author of that webpage is either mendacious or a dribbling moron.
"In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes "
The money raised doesn't go to the SCP any more, it hasn't done for seven years.
"In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes "
The money raised doesn't go to the SCP any more, it hasn't done for seven years.
Edited by OTBC on Monday 11th August 21:13
OTBC said:
What? I've just shown you that RTTM is explicitly allowed for and that the author of that webpage is either mendacious or a dribbling moron.
"In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes "
The money raised doesn't go to the SCP any more, it hasn't done for seven years.
Money does go the SCP's via the 'Speed Awareness Course' fees"In generating an income for the SCP local empires - yes "
The money raised doesn't go to the SCP any more, it hasn't done for seven years.
Edited by OTBC on Monday 11th August 21:13
OTBC said:
Also, this;
"Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/tfl_cyclist_contrib...
is complete and utter bks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.
Relying on Stats 19 for data is statistically innumerate, that webpage is bilge water set up by a crank.
If you don't believe me then email him and ask him to name the twenty four cyclists killed while exceeding the speed limit. (they don't exist).
Have you tried to ask a researcher to expose personal information about research subjects? It does not happen. Ethics."Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/tfl_cyclist_contrib...
is complete and utter b
ks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.Relying on Stats 19 for data is statistically innumerate, that webpage is bilge water set up by a crank.
If you don't believe me then email him and ask him to name the twenty four cyclists killed while exceeding the speed limit. (they don't exist).
Davidonly said:
Have you tried to ask a researcher to expose personal information about research subjects? It does not happen. Ethics.
I already have the names. It's public information, cyclists' deaths are so rare they are always reported. None of the dead cyclists was breaking the speed limit. That website is a pack of lies, and it's a pretty loathsome, despicable pack of lies, implying as it does that dead people were to blame for their own deaths. Davidonly said:
Money does go the SCP's via the 'Speed Awareness Course' fees
Thanks, knew I wasn't wrong, but that post by OBTC sounds like another bit of PMB economy of truth . if they can predict where accidents will happen ,then why isn't some engineerrinfg solution found aswe all know cameras don't stop accidents. All the camera lot put out is that driving just below the speed limit ( not driving to the conditions) makes roads safer. Then there's tailgaiting .And of course the best of the lot ,dangerous parking by camera vans . Davidonly said:
Money does go the SCP's via the 'Speed Awareness Course' fees
The UK’s largest course provider is TTC 2000, part of the TTC Group. No profit is made. Police do not make a profit from providing speed awareness courses. The enforcement costs of collecting evidence, serving forms and fixed penalties with the offer of a course, organising courses, monitoring attendance and finalising the evidence on successful attendance costs an average of £35.Each offender attending a course returns £35 to the force initiating their offer, providing cost recovery only.
http://the-zebra.com/police-speed-awareness-course...
Speeding fines have gone to the Treasury since 2007.
Davidonly said:
Overall conclusion is that the impact of scammers on road safety is 'weak' at best... As we all know
This chap who has a first in mathematics from Cambridge, a PhD and is a professor of transport studies draws a different conclusion: http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...One can generally find the conclusion they want to hear when discussing a controversial subject.
Cycling fatalities 2010;
Muhammad Haris Ahmed - Aged 21 - London - Died 9th March - 2010 - killed by a four axle tipper lorry in Weston Street, near Guy’s Hospital. It is believed that the lorry had been servicing the massive Shard construction project next to London Bridge station.
Tyron Allen - Aged 16 - Willenhall, near Wolverhampton - August 9th - 2010 - Hit by a skip on a junction
John Paul Allen - Aged 32 - A-road, Liverpool Road, Eccles, Manchester - Died morning, 11:20 on Saturday 6th of November 2010 - hit by a Honda Civic car
Jonathan Allen - Aged 29 - Wiltshire - 24th March - 2010 - killed by a lorry in Wiltshire - swerved on his bicycle to avoid a pothole
Christopher Timothy Andrew - Aged 48 - near Tickton, Hull area. Died Thursday October 13th 2010 - hit by lorry travelling in the same direction
Christopher Ashman - Aged 47 - Kettering - 7:30pm Died 19th May 2010 - Hit and run - driver admitted driving away from the scene of the crash. Driver found guilty of causing death by inconsiderate driving
Philip Barowik - Aged 19 - Swillington, Leeds - Died 26th March 2010 - killed in a collision with a Ford transit van
Alistair Bettis - Aged 59 - A34, near Oxford, Oxfordshire - Died Tuesday, 30th November 2010 - cycling in slow lane in the dark without lights
Joanne Bishop - Aged 40 - A271 North Trade Road, near Battle - Died 30th May 2010 - crashed with a van
George Le Blond - Aged 50 - Port of Tyne at Tyne Doc - Died Friday October 22nd 2010 - crushed by Volvo Tipper Truck on a roundabout
Adrian Bridgeman - Aged 25 - Leicester -30th March 2010 - In collision with a Ford Transit Connect van - driver on murder charge.
Keith Carr - Aged 60 - A17 in Swineshead, Lincolnshire - Died 24th September 2010 - hit by a van
Matthew Robert Chapman - Aged 28 - Died April 11th 2010 - Vauxhall Vectra struck the rear of his bike on North Wallasey Approach Road, Wallasey.
Peter Clarke - Aged 42 - Stechford, Birmingham - Died 13th May 2010 - hit by lorry.
Vera Chaplin - Aged 89 - Kirby Cross, Essex - Died August 9th 2010 - hit by lorry - driver charged with causing death by careless driving. Sentenced to 100 hours community service, disqualified for a year and given £85 costs
Matthew Chapman - Aged 28 - Wallasey, Liverpool - Died April 11 2010 - hit by car - driver received 2-year suspended sentence.
Nicholas Cherrill - Aged 57 - A130 at Ford End, close to its junction with the B1417 Great Leighs, Essex - Died 9.a.m Sunday 10th October 2010 - hit by a Vauxhall Corsa - driver charged with causing the death of a cyclist by dangerous driving - sentenced to three years in prison.
Andrew Drinkwater - Aged 23 - A419 near Swindon - Died 9th April 2010 - hit by horsebox and other cars. Trial currently taking place for the driver of the horsebox.
Marc Dunk - Aged 28 - Isle of Pinehurst Thanet, Margate - February 22nd - killed when he was hit by a truck while cycling from his home.
Jeffrey Fellows - Aged 44 - A5117 and quiet Powey Lane at Dunkirk - 2nd July 2010 - hit by a black Honda Civic on a junction.
Michael Freshwater - Aged 60 - A303 at West Podimore. near Yeovil - Died Sunday 21st November - 2010 - hit by a lorry.
Patrick Gorman - Aged 70 - Chalk Farm, London - Died 4th February 2010 - driver opened the door of a stationary vehicle as Mr Gorman was cycling past.
John Western Greaves - Aged 70 - Bramshott, Hampshire - Died 3rd May 2010 - Road traffic incident.
James Stewart Hamilton - Aged 59 - Pinehurst, Swindon - Died 9th May 2010 - hit by a small van.
Ian Hammel - Aged 53 - Salmesbury, Preston - Died 29th September 2010 - hit by car - driver. charged with and admitted causing death by driving after going through red light. Sentenced to 20 weeks in prison.
Edward Hart - Aged 73 - East Hull - Died 7th June 2010 - hit by a truck.
Anthony Hatton - Aged 20 - Sneinton, Nottingham - Died 8th April 2010 - collided with a car at a junction.
Jayne Helliwell - Aged 25 - Oxford Street, London - Died 14th April 2010 - Crushed by a bus.
Judith Hitchings - Aged 55 - Pier Road, Southsea - Died Saturday 17th July 2010 - Hit by a coach. Driver failed to check blind spot inquest told.
William Honour - Aged 79 - Bagshot Road (A322) Surrey - Died Saturday, October 23rd 2010 - struck by two cars and run over by one.
Peter Hume - Aged 42 - Stechford - Died 13th May 2010 - hit by a Volvo HGV.
Michael Isherwood - Aged 36 - Kelbrook Road in Salterforth, Lancashire - Died 22nd November 2010 - hit and run - driver charged with causing death by driving without due care and attention and also failing to stop after an accident.
Paul Stuart Johnson - Aged 23 - Hayton, North Nottinghamshire - Died 11th July 2010 - collision with a car.
Thomas Kahl - Aged 18 - A4260 Banbury Road near Thrupp, Kidlington - Died 10th July 2010 - hit by a car driven convicted causing death by careless driving while over the alcohol limit.
Philip Edmond Lecutier - Aged 55 - Carlton Crossroads, Bramhope, Bradford - Died Tuesday 2nd November 2010 - hit by skip wagon on way back from work.Otley Old Road to the junction with Harrogate Road in Bramhope before stopping at a red light at about 4.45pm. A wagon being driven by Keith Armitage pulled up alongside him.
Ralph Manicom - Aged 64 - Crossways, near Dorchester - Died 29th July 2010 - Hit by a car.
Luke Matthews - Aged 8 - Pontypool - Died 8th April - 2010 - Collision with a bus.
Amber Mattingley - Aged 29 - Southampton - Died 23rd March 2010 - crash involving an articulated lorry.
Neil McCover - Aged 55 - Eaglesham, East Renfrewshire, Scotland - Died 5th October 2010 - hit by a Mazda car.
Stephen McGowan - Aged 47 - Leighton Buzzard - Died 11th April 2010 - hit-and-run accident with a car.
Anthony Tumulty Millett - Aged 43 - Bedford - Died 8th August 2010 - hit by white Nissan Micra
Miriam Mitchell - A363 between Bradford on Avon and Bath - Died 30th January 2010 - hit by Land Rover.
Sheila Mitchell - Aged 73 - Meadrow nr Godalming - Died 2nd June 2010 - Hit by car from behind
Carlo Morato - Aged 37 - A303 Wiltshire near Yarnbury Castle - Died 3rd July 2010 - struck from behind by a silver Mercedes ML280.
Seamus Newell - Aged 72 - A55 in Flintshire - Died 11th April 2010 - hit by a car while crossing the slip road of the eastbound carriageway.
Michael O’Leary - Aged 72 - junction of Syke Lane and Keighley Road (A-road), Halifax, West Yorkshire - Died Wednesday 18th August 2010.
Akta Patel - Aged 20 - Lancaster - March 5th 2010 - struck by an double-decker bus.
Denis Peachey - Aged 54 - A308, near Ashford, Middlesex - Died 06:00 a.m, 16th August 2010 - hit by lorry from behind, driver guilty of causing death by careless driving - 200 hours unpaid community service plus 18 month ban
Jack Pearson - Aged 73 - A614 near Shiptonthorpe- Died 9th February 2010 - Hit by van.
Arthur Platt - Aged 37 - A442 in Telford - Died 20th July 2010 - Collision with a car on a John O'Groats to Land's End charity ride.
Harry Prior - Aged 37 - old A303 towards Seavington - Died 6th February 2010 - collision with a Saab travelling in the opposite direction.
Olin Poulsen - Aged 20 - near Carmarthen, on the A40 - Died 3rd September 2010 - hit by a lorry with a trailer carrying a JCB.
Colin Rae - Aged 83 - Carlisle - Died 13th October 2010 - Hit by car. Driver failed to stop after accident. Arrested for suspicion of dangerous driving
Rajaendran Ramakrishnan - Aged 35 - A410 Uxbridge Road near the junction to Hatch End, Pinner. Middlesex - Crash happened at 6.20am, then cyclist died two days later on Thursday 22nd July, 2010 - hit by a Silver Honda Civic car. Driver jailed for 31 months for causing death by dangerous driving. Disqualified from driving for three years. Driver doing twice the speed limit.
Colin Neil Roberts - Aged 53 - A428 between Cambourne and Dry Drayton, Cambridgeshire - Died 23rd October 2010 - hit by van - Driver arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving
Paul Anthony Roberts - Aged 48 - A458 at Onslow Bank, near Ford - Died 6th July 2010 - hit by black mini car
Steven Rodway - Aged 38 - Stapleford Tawney - Died Sunday 13th June 2010 - Hit by silver Ford Puma. admitted two counts of causing death by driving, while uninsured and without a driving licence.
Arina Romanova - Aged 24 - Graham Road, Dalston - London - Died 19th August - 2010 - fell under the wheel of a taxi on her way to work
John Rudledge - Aged 76 - Norwich - Died 27th September 2010 - hit by a Peugeot 306
Susan Russell - Aged 56 - A63 Hull - Died 20th August 2010 - killed when a refrigeration unit slid from the back of a truck, landing on her and killing her instantly. by a fridge lorry carrying a trailer shed - Driver jailed for 27 months.
Zoe Sheldrake - Aged 31 - Borehamwood - Died 26th April 2010 - collision with a black Audi
Nigel Sloan - Aged 65 - Peckham High Street, Peckam. London - Died September 2010 - hit by van - Driver charged with causing death by driving an uninsured vehicle, and failing to stop after an accident.
Everton Smith - Aged 48 - London - junction of Vauxhall Bridge Road and Drummond Gate - Died 22nd May 2010 - Hit by a lorry
Peter Stubbs - Aged 58 - A20 London Road, Wrotham Hill, Kent - Died Wednesday 5th May 2010 - collision with a Hyundi car
Joel Semmens - Aged 17 - Byfleet, Surrey - Died October 13th 2010 - Hit by Audi car - arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and driving whilst unfit through drink or drugs. She was later released on police bail pending further inquiries.
Michael Stanley - Aged 20 - Birmingham New Road, in Coseley, near Wolverhampton - Died Sunday 21st November, 2010 - hit by car at a junction - inquest heard that he was killed by a car as he crossed a busy road because he failed to wait for the right signal at a puffin crossing.
Joseph Telford - Aged 70 - Windlesham, Surrey - Died 24th January 2010 - hit and run collision
Peter Tindley - Aged 76 - A350 Upton bypass Bournemouth - Died 1st August 2011 - cycled into back of broken down vehicle in a 50-mile race.
Kostas Tourlas - Aged 37 - Kirkliston - Died 26th June 2010 - Hit by car - driver got five years for drink driving - driver was going 70 mph.
Christian David Michael Townend - Aged 29 - Siloth area, Cumbria - Died Monday 5th of December 2010 - hit by coach river, from Carlisle, was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
Nicholas Rowan Townend - Aged 21 - Siloth area, Cumbria - Died Monday 5th of December 2010 - hit by coach river, from Carlisle, was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
Stacey Turney - Aged 20 - A120 Harwich - Died 21st January 2010 - hit by a white Iveco lorry
Derek Vickers - Aged 68 - A159 North Street in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire - Died Monday, May 17th, 2010 - hit by car - driver found guilty of causing the death. Banned for a year, fined £300
David Vilaseca - Aged 46 -London - Died 9th March 2010 - killed on the corner of Tower Bridge Road and Druid Street, by a left-turning four-axle skip lorry.
Brian Ward - Aged 70 - Epping district - Died 17th June 2010 - Collision with a van
Catherine Ward - Aged 52 - A46 near Bidford-on-Avon - Died 4th August 2010 - hit by a car from behind while on a time trial. Driver admitted killing the cyclist through careless driving given community service and banned for a year.
Joanna Walters - Aged 28 - A270 Lewes Road, Brighton - Died 13th July 2010 - hit by a delivery van after losing control on a too narrow path.
Shivon Watson - Aged 28 - London - Died 10th March 2010 - killed by a skip lorry on Lauriston Road, Hackney, on her way to work. Worked for Sustrans.
James Whybrow - Aged 18 - Pinner Green, Harrow - Died 29th May 2010 - head-on collision with a Ford Fiesta car
Darren Wight - Aged 36 - road between Roxburgh and Ormiston - Died 2nd August 2010 - hit by a van
None of those cyclists was breaking the speed limit.
That website is complete rubbish.
Nasty, dishonest, victim-blaming crap.
Complete balls, and insulting, spiteful garbage.
Muhammad Haris Ahmed - Aged 21 - London - Died 9th March - 2010 - killed by a four axle tipper lorry in Weston Street, near Guy’s Hospital. It is believed that the lorry had been servicing the massive Shard construction project next to London Bridge station.
Tyron Allen - Aged 16 - Willenhall, near Wolverhampton - August 9th - 2010 - Hit by a skip on a junction
John Paul Allen - Aged 32 - A-road, Liverpool Road, Eccles, Manchester - Died morning, 11:20 on Saturday 6th of November 2010 - hit by a Honda Civic car
Jonathan Allen - Aged 29 - Wiltshire - 24th March - 2010 - killed by a lorry in Wiltshire - swerved on his bicycle to avoid a pothole
Christopher Timothy Andrew - Aged 48 - near Tickton, Hull area. Died Thursday October 13th 2010 - hit by lorry travelling in the same direction
Christopher Ashman - Aged 47 - Kettering - 7:30pm Died 19th May 2010 - Hit and run - driver admitted driving away from the scene of the crash. Driver found guilty of causing death by inconsiderate driving
Philip Barowik - Aged 19 - Swillington, Leeds - Died 26th March 2010 - killed in a collision with a Ford transit van
Alistair Bettis - Aged 59 - A34, near Oxford, Oxfordshire - Died Tuesday, 30th November 2010 - cycling in slow lane in the dark without lights
Joanne Bishop - Aged 40 - A271 North Trade Road, near Battle - Died 30th May 2010 - crashed with a van
George Le Blond - Aged 50 - Port of Tyne at Tyne Doc - Died Friday October 22nd 2010 - crushed by Volvo Tipper Truck on a roundabout
Adrian Bridgeman - Aged 25 - Leicester -30th March 2010 - In collision with a Ford Transit Connect van - driver on murder charge.
Keith Carr - Aged 60 - A17 in Swineshead, Lincolnshire - Died 24th September 2010 - hit by a van
Matthew Robert Chapman - Aged 28 - Died April 11th 2010 - Vauxhall Vectra struck the rear of his bike on North Wallasey Approach Road, Wallasey.
Peter Clarke - Aged 42 - Stechford, Birmingham - Died 13th May 2010 - hit by lorry.
Vera Chaplin - Aged 89 - Kirby Cross, Essex - Died August 9th 2010 - hit by lorry - driver charged with causing death by careless driving. Sentenced to 100 hours community service, disqualified for a year and given £85 costs
Matthew Chapman - Aged 28 - Wallasey, Liverpool - Died April 11 2010 - hit by car - driver received 2-year suspended sentence.
Nicholas Cherrill - Aged 57 - A130 at Ford End, close to its junction with the B1417 Great Leighs, Essex - Died 9.a.m Sunday 10th October 2010 - hit by a Vauxhall Corsa - driver charged with causing the death of a cyclist by dangerous driving - sentenced to three years in prison.
Andrew Drinkwater - Aged 23 - A419 near Swindon - Died 9th April 2010 - hit by horsebox and other cars. Trial currently taking place for the driver of the horsebox.
Marc Dunk - Aged 28 - Isle of Pinehurst Thanet, Margate - February 22nd - killed when he was hit by a truck while cycling from his home.
Jeffrey Fellows - Aged 44 - A5117 and quiet Powey Lane at Dunkirk - 2nd July 2010 - hit by a black Honda Civic on a junction.
Michael Freshwater - Aged 60 - A303 at West Podimore. near Yeovil - Died Sunday 21st November - 2010 - hit by a lorry.
Patrick Gorman - Aged 70 - Chalk Farm, London - Died 4th February 2010 - driver opened the door of a stationary vehicle as Mr Gorman was cycling past.
John Western Greaves - Aged 70 - Bramshott, Hampshire - Died 3rd May 2010 - Road traffic incident.
James Stewart Hamilton - Aged 59 - Pinehurst, Swindon - Died 9th May 2010 - hit by a small van.
Ian Hammel - Aged 53 - Salmesbury, Preston - Died 29th September 2010 - hit by car - driver. charged with and admitted causing death by driving after going through red light. Sentenced to 20 weeks in prison.
Edward Hart - Aged 73 - East Hull - Died 7th June 2010 - hit by a truck.
Anthony Hatton - Aged 20 - Sneinton, Nottingham - Died 8th April 2010 - collided with a car at a junction.
Jayne Helliwell - Aged 25 - Oxford Street, London - Died 14th April 2010 - Crushed by a bus.
Judith Hitchings - Aged 55 - Pier Road, Southsea - Died Saturday 17th July 2010 - Hit by a coach. Driver failed to check blind spot inquest told.
William Honour - Aged 79 - Bagshot Road (A322) Surrey - Died Saturday, October 23rd 2010 - struck by two cars and run over by one.
Peter Hume - Aged 42 - Stechford - Died 13th May 2010 - hit by a Volvo HGV.
Michael Isherwood - Aged 36 - Kelbrook Road in Salterforth, Lancashire - Died 22nd November 2010 - hit and run - driver charged with causing death by driving without due care and attention and also failing to stop after an accident.
Paul Stuart Johnson - Aged 23 - Hayton, North Nottinghamshire - Died 11th July 2010 - collision with a car.
Thomas Kahl - Aged 18 - A4260 Banbury Road near Thrupp, Kidlington - Died 10th July 2010 - hit by a car driven convicted causing death by careless driving while over the alcohol limit.
Philip Edmond Lecutier - Aged 55 - Carlton Crossroads, Bramhope, Bradford - Died Tuesday 2nd November 2010 - hit by skip wagon on way back from work.Otley Old Road to the junction with Harrogate Road in Bramhope before stopping at a red light at about 4.45pm. A wagon being driven by Keith Armitage pulled up alongside him.
Ralph Manicom - Aged 64 - Crossways, near Dorchester - Died 29th July 2010 - Hit by a car.
Luke Matthews - Aged 8 - Pontypool - Died 8th April - 2010 - Collision with a bus.
Amber Mattingley - Aged 29 - Southampton - Died 23rd March 2010 - crash involving an articulated lorry.
Neil McCover - Aged 55 - Eaglesham, East Renfrewshire, Scotland - Died 5th October 2010 - hit by a Mazda car.
Stephen McGowan - Aged 47 - Leighton Buzzard - Died 11th April 2010 - hit-and-run accident with a car.
Anthony Tumulty Millett - Aged 43 - Bedford - Died 8th August 2010 - hit by white Nissan Micra
Miriam Mitchell - A363 between Bradford on Avon and Bath - Died 30th January 2010 - hit by Land Rover.
Sheila Mitchell - Aged 73 - Meadrow nr Godalming - Died 2nd June 2010 - Hit by car from behind
Carlo Morato - Aged 37 - A303 Wiltshire near Yarnbury Castle - Died 3rd July 2010 - struck from behind by a silver Mercedes ML280.
Seamus Newell - Aged 72 - A55 in Flintshire - Died 11th April 2010 - hit by a car while crossing the slip road of the eastbound carriageway.
Michael O’Leary - Aged 72 - junction of Syke Lane and Keighley Road (A-road), Halifax, West Yorkshire - Died Wednesday 18th August 2010.
Akta Patel - Aged 20 - Lancaster - March 5th 2010 - struck by an double-decker bus.
Denis Peachey - Aged 54 - A308, near Ashford, Middlesex - Died 06:00 a.m, 16th August 2010 - hit by lorry from behind, driver guilty of causing death by careless driving - 200 hours unpaid community service plus 18 month ban
Jack Pearson - Aged 73 - A614 near Shiptonthorpe- Died 9th February 2010 - Hit by van.
Arthur Platt - Aged 37 - A442 in Telford - Died 20th July 2010 - Collision with a car on a John O'Groats to Land's End charity ride.
Harry Prior - Aged 37 - old A303 towards Seavington - Died 6th February 2010 - collision with a Saab travelling in the opposite direction.
Olin Poulsen - Aged 20 - near Carmarthen, on the A40 - Died 3rd September 2010 - hit by a lorry with a trailer carrying a JCB.
Colin Rae - Aged 83 - Carlisle - Died 13th October 2010 - Hit by car. Driver failed to stop after accident. Arrested for suspicion of dangerous driving
Rajaendran Ramakrishnan - Aged 35 - A410 Uxbridge Road near the junction to Hatch End, Pinner. Middlesex - Crash happened at 6.20am, then cyclist died two days later on Thursday 22nd July, 2010 - hit by a Silver Honda Civic car. Driver jailed for 31 months for causing death by dangerous driving. Disqualified from driving for three years. Driver doing twice the speed limit.
Colin Neil Roberts - Aged 53 - A428 between Cambourne and Dry Drayton, Cambridgeshire - Died 23rd October 2010 - hit by van - Driver arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving
Paul Anthony Roberts - Aged 48 - A458 at Onslow Bank, near Ford - Died 6th July 2010 - hit by black mini car
Steven Rodway - Aged 38 - Stapleford Tawney - Died Sunday 13th June 2010 - Hit by silver Ford Puma. admitted two counts of causing death by driving, while uninsured and without a driving licence.
Arina Romanova - Aged 24 - Graham Road, Dalston - London - Died 19th August - 2010 - fell under the wheel of a taxi on her way to work
John Rudledge - Aged 76 - Norwich - Died 27th September 2010 - hit by a Peugeot 306
Susan Russell - Aged 56 - A63 Hull - Died 20th August 2010 - killed when a refrigeration unit slid from the back of a truck, landing on her and killing her instantly. by a fridge lorry carrying a trailer shed - Driver jailed for 27 months.
Zoe Sheldrake - Aged 31 - Borehamwood - Died 26th April 2010 - collision with a black Audi
Nigel Sloan - Aged 65 - Peckham High Street, Peckam. London - Died September 2010 - hit by van - Driver charged with causing death by driving an uninsured vehicle, and failing to stop after an accident.
Everton Smith - Aged 48 - London - junction of Vauxhall Bridge Road and Drummond Gate - Died 22nd May 2010 - Hit by a lorry
Peter Stubbs - Aged 58 - A20 London Road, Wrotham Hill, Kent - Died Wednesday 5th May 2010 - collision with a Hyundi car
Joel Semmens - Aged 17 - Byfleet, Surrey - Died October 13th 2010 - Hit by Audi car - arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and driving whilst unfit through drink or drugs. She was later released on police bail pending further inquiries.
Michael Stanley - Aged 20 - Birmingham New Road, in Coseley, near Wolverhampton - Died Sunday 21st November, 2010 - hit by car at a junction - inquest heard that he was killed by a car as he crossed a busy road because he failed to wait for the right signal at a puffin crossing.
Joseph Telford - Aged 70 - Windlesham, Surrey - Died 24th January 2010 - hit and run collision
Peter Tindley - Aged 76 - A350 Upton bypass Bournemouth - Died 1st August 2011 - cycled into back of broken down vehicle in a 50-mile race.
Kostas Tourlas - Aged 37 - Kirkliston - Died 26th June 2010 - Hit by car - driver got five years for drink driving - driver was going 70 mph.
Christian David Michael Townend - Aged 29 - Siloth area, Cumbria - Died Monday 5th of December 2010 - hit by coach river, from Carlisle, was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
Nicholas Rowan Townend - Aged 21 - Siloth area, Cumbria - Died Monday 5th of December 2010 - hit by coach river, from Carlisle, was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
Stacey Turney - Aged 20 - A120 Harwich - Died 21st January 2010 - hit by a white Iveco lorry
Derek Vickers - Aged 68 - A159 North Street in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire - Died Monday, May 17th, 2010 - hit by car - driver found guilty of causing the death. Banned for a year, fined £300
David Vilaseca - Aged 46 -London - Died 9th March 2010 - killed on the corner of Tower Bridge Road and Druid Street, by a left-turning four-axle skip lorry.
Brian Ward - Aged 70 - Epping district - Died 17th June 2010 - Collision with a van
Catherine Ward - Aged 52 - A46 near Bidford-on-Avon - Died 4th August 2010 - hit by a car from behind while on a time trial. Driver admitted killing the cyclist through careless driving given community service and banned for a year.
Joanna Walters - Aged 28 - A270 Lewes Road, Brighton - Died 13th July 2010 - hit by a delivery van after losing control on a too narrow path.
Shivon Watson - Aged 28 - London - Died 10th March 2010 - killed by a skip lorry on Lauriston Road, Hackney, on her way to work. Worked for Sustrans.
James Whybrow - Aged 18 - Pinner Green, Harrow - Died 29th May 2010 - head-on collision with a Ford Fiesta car
Darren Wight - Aged 36 - road between Roxburgh and Ormiston - Died 2nd August 2010 - hit by a van
None of those cyclists was breaking the speed limit.
That website is complete rubbish.
Nasty, dishonest, victim-blaming crap.
Complete balls, and insulting, spiteful garbage.
CTE said:
Looks like cyclist`s should avoid Honda Civic`s first, and then Audi`s second...surprised it`s not the other way around?
Ye's, although it's al'so likely a mi's'su'sed apo'strophe or 'seven could be equally hazardou's.Sorry for being a pillock of a pedant, I just couldn't help my'self.
OTBC said:
Also, this;
"Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
is complete and utter bks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.
I can't see this statement anywhere in any of the links provided?"Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30)"
is complete and utter b
ks, he's pulling "facts" out of his arse.OTBC said:
If you don't believe me then email him and ask him to name the twenty four cyclists killed while exceeding the speed limit. (they don't exist).
Your quote above says that 24 cyclists were exceeding the speed limit, not that they were killed while doing so. But as I said, I cannot verify the above quote from any of the links provided. Can you clarify?Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30). Note, it is not illegal for cyclists to exceed speed limits but how fast can they go? Were many of these collisions in 20mph zones?
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/01_speeding.htm
Does it matter? Yes, because it's not true.
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/01_speeding.htm
Does it matter? Yes, because it's not true.
OTBC said:
Interestingly, almost as many cyclists (24) were "exceeding the speed limit" as motorists (30). Note, it is not illegal for cyclists to exceed speed limits but how fast can they go? Were many of these collisions in 20mph zones?
http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/01_speeding.htm
Does it matter? Yes, because it's not true.
Yes it is. It says that in 24 cases, it was identified as a contributory factor that the cyclists were going faster than the speed limit. Even if that limit does not apply to them, the statement itself is factual.http://speedcamerareport.co.uk/01_speeding.htm
Does it matter? Yes, because it's not true.
At no point does it say anyone was killed in those 24 cases. The stats refer to incidents involving injuries and/or deaths.
Edited by calibrax on Wednesday 13th August 20:04
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