RE: Mercedes C63 AMG Edition 507: PH Fleet
RE: Mercedes C63 AMG Edition 507: PH Fleet
Tuesday 12th August 2014

Mercedes C63 AMG Edition 507: PH Fleet

Happier times for the 507 with a track session at Goodwood to celebrate return from paint shop



The outpouring of goodwill and sympathy that followed my last update on the C63 and the story of its keying by a local vigilante 'parking warden' objecting to its presence has restored my faith in humanity somewhat. Though I still walk the street with suspicious eyes, wondering which of the residents it was who decided sabotage and criminal damage was a grown-up way to deal with a petty parking dispute. But the annoying thing is they've won and I now park elsewhere. Mercedes took the car away and fixed the scratch but the truth is I dare not risk testing that generosity again and tempting as it is my DIY skills aren't quite up to installing a more 'South African' form of car security involving flame throwers or large voltages. Can't stop me dreaming though.

507 coupe comparison enlightening
507 coupe comparison enlightening
Anyway. To happier times. Goodwood. Sunshine. Hot and cold running AMGs. And a special pass for me to gatecrash Mercedes' on-track press event with 'my' long termer.

It was certainly interesting to chart the rate of progress within the AMG range. Some cars, the SLK55 and the C63, feel distinctly old school compared with the newer models like the turbocharged E63 S and '45 range represented here in CLA, A and GLA forms. With a new C63 coming soon with the turbocharged 4.0-litre 'hot V' AMG V8 the day also had the sense of a swansong for the mighty M156 6.2 and a chance to appreciate its talents one last time.

I started out in the E63 S, the mentalist 585hp twin-turbo version that unlike those sold in left-hand drive markets is still rear- and not four-wheel drive. It's a big old lump on track the E-Class and though the thrust - thrust is the right word, too - up the straights was almost comedic it didn't feel entirely at home on a track and even on a flowing circuit like Goodwood the brakes were basically on fire after just a few laps.

Out of its depth on track? Not at all!
Out of its depth on track? Not at all!
Much more impressive was the A45, the engine for which is essentially one cylinder bank of the forthcoming 4.0 V8. If the character carries over we've nothing to worry about and on track the A45 feels entirely at home. The annoying multiple downshifting that happens on the road in manual mode didn't seem to be an issue and the engine pulls unbelievably hard with very little lag. Fast, pointy and fun these '45s continue to impress.

So to 'my' C63 though. After the gadgets and sophistication of the newer cars and in a repeat of my fears after driving the new M3 and M4 I was afraid what feels appealingly old-school on the road might feel a little crude and outdated on track. I was glad to be proved wrong.

For starters it felt a lot sharper than I expected, crisp passive damping, excellent body control, chunkily weighted steering and surprisingly keen turn-in all providing a solid foundation for That Engine to really shine. That Engine does mean the front end is pretty weighty though and you need to get it properly slowed down and settled before turning into the faster corners like the opener at Madgwick to avoid it dragging the front end wide.

Driver aids on meant no sideways silliness
Driver aids on meant no sideways silliness
But there's always an answer to that, courtesy of the right pedal. Now I'd love to say I spent the whole day on opposite lock and bonfired several sets of tyres (I would have been up for this as the car clearly was) but the rules of the day dictated we couldn't even switch to the ESP Sport mode. Though AMG's ESP settings are less finger wagging than most the huge low-end torque of the turbo V8s in the E and SL63s meant it was easy to wake the stability control and then have to sit out the reduced power until the car was through the corner.

Not so in the 507. The mechanical diff plays a part long before the ESP cuts in and the more top-end power delivery means you can progressively feed the power in and use the rear axle to influence the line of the car much more subtly. Subtly enough not to alarm either the electronics or chaperone in the passenger seat.

It meant adopting a super smooth driving style but that's no bad thing and the very gentle sense of rotation on the throttle as the corners opened out was totally addictive, Goodwood's long sweepers offering plenty of opportunity to enjoy it. Eventually the ESP would cut in but with commendable subtly and very little impact on speed. Truly, the diff makes this car and am I ever in the position to make good on my dream of buying one the first thing I look for on the build sheet will be option #471.

The progress of Mercedes-AMG in 20 years...
The progress of Mercedes-AMG in 20 years...
It was interesting to drive my wagon back to back with an equivalent Edition 507 Coupe too. I love the incongruity of punting a family estate around a track at daft speeds and the surprise factor on the road too but it's clear the coupe is a sharper driving tool. It's a little lower and 65kg lighter (if no featherweight at 1,730kg) but after putting in a call to Mercedes it was able to confirm AMG has also stiffened up the rear axle, which would explain why it felt a little sharper and more agile than the wagon. In both cars though the engine remains absolutely stand-out and a bittersweet reminder that whatever the benefits of the new wave of turbo engines in terms of torque, CO2 and fuel consumption there remains nothing quite so satisfying as a sodding great V8 that's happiest revving all the way out to a 7K-plus redline. Chances to spend more than fleeting seconds beyond 5,000rpm don't come often on the road in the 507 - at least if one wants to retain one's licence - but the 507's SLS internals make the big V8 even more of a rev hungry mentalist than it is in standard tune. A mentalist with a big boot, bike racks and equal ability to make a trundle round the M25 fun.

I really, really don't want to give it back.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 2013 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Edition 507
Run by: Dan
On fleet since: March 2014
Mileage: 12,204
List price new: £68,470 before options (£80,075 as tested, comprising Privacy Glass £330, reversing camera £390, Lighting Package £150, three-zone climate control £590, Keyless Go £665, AMG Performance Media £2,040, Comand Online with six-disc changer £250, DAB £335, Harmon Kardon surround sound £650, phone pre-wiring with roof aerial £290, Designo Magno Platinum paint £3,660, rear axle limited-slip differential £1,745 and 19-inch wheels £510)
Last month at a glance: Track session at Goodwood proves SLS-engined family estate works on circuit too - result

Previous reports:
C63 arrives, Dan hasn't let anyone else have a go since
Look, it's thirsty ... of course it's thirsty
C63: noise matters
Dan on the warpath after parking vigilante neighbour keys the C63





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exceed

Original Poster:

455 posts

206 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Must get one of these for the other half, she loves them and to keep reading these blog posts is not helping matters...

I would like to be invited next time you go please! Can swap for the day...

ghibbett

1,919 posts

215 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Hi Dan,

Great words on the feel and benefit of the LSD. I've been harping on about the LSD option ever since my first back-to-back with and without (and then subsequent speccing on my C63).

On another note, is there any more info on the forthcoming C63 meet? Specifically times?

braddo

12,321 posts

218 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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I have one of the ones on the right. Am hoping I can convince the other half that we should change it for one of the ones on the left next year. smile


Axionknight

8,505 posts

165 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Eerytime this crops up all I can say is GIMME GIMME GIMME.

Forgive me for repeating myself, but GIMME GIMME GIMME! biggrin

DirtyIrish

51 posts

147 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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How did the gearbox hold up?
Plenty of talk of it overheating when pushing it for a bit.

WokkaWokka

805 posts

169 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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DirtyIrish said:
How did the gearbox hold up?
Plenty of talk of it overheating when pushing it for a bit.
I have heard the exact same report. It doesn't put me off one next to be fair that and my commute going from 100 miles a day to about 10.

moffat

1,020 posts

255 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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The overheating gearbox has only happened to me once in 16000 miles and I think you have to be really aggressive with the box to get it to happen.

It remains an issue with no fix though, but certainly not one to stop potential buyers.

The way a C63 shreds tyres and brakes means that you need to have very deep pockets to be able to do a few track days in a C63.


Gandahar

9,600 posts

158 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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In my view the 6.2 litre engine is the last and greatest of a golden era which will be sadly missed when they are gone.

They will not be missed initially as the turbo AMG engines will still sound great and have more torque, but eventually they will be sort after I think. It's an engine that is good at low, medium and high revs. You can't beat that can you?


Catatafish

1,525 posts

175 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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In another 20 years the mercedes badge will be half the car's width.

Is its size something like the power output ie. each successive version must have a larger badge?

moffat

1,020 posts

255 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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Gandahar said:
In my view the 6.2 litre engine is the last and greatest of a golden era which will be sadly missed when they are gone.

They will not be missed initially as the turbo AMG engines will still sound great and have more torque, but eventually they will be sort after I think. It's an engine that is good at low, medium and high revs. You can't beat that can you?
The M157 (5.5 V8 BiTurbo)does not sound as good though. Proved this recently at an event with my car and a CLS63 side by side in a rev off biggrin

Still The M157 does sound good, really looking forward to hearing the new 4.0 V8 in the flesh. I am not silly enough to think it will sound as good as either the M156 (6.2 V8) or M157 but BMW made a cracking job with the E92 M3's 4.0 V8 so hopefully this will sound good too.

I do think that I will seek out a C63 Black or C63 507 in quite a few years time when I can afford to keep a second car like that and keep it forever.

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

193 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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If I had to buy a C63, I would get the Saloon, looks more smart and 'thuggish', IMO. Never been a fan of estates for some reason.

mcbook

1,442 posts

205 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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This has to be my perfect car! Absolutely love the fact that it's an estate - imagine dropping the kids off to school in one of these every day... I'd be chuckling to myself all the way there and back. If only I had a spare £80k frown

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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DirtyIrish said:
How did the gearbox hold up?
Plenty of talk of it overheating when pushing it for a bit.
Gearbox was fine and it was a very hot day. The instructors with us were all from MB World so well used to the cars and my chap suggested bringing up the gearbox temp gauge on the AMG screen of the speedo readout. He said they tend to go into limp mode if it goes above 135 degrees and I think we were up to about 125. He said half a lap of a moderate pace is usually enough to bring the temps down if you're getting close and sure enough that worked fine. That was after half a dozen or so reasonably keen laps too. Brakes remained solid too, though there aren't that many big stops at Goodwood. The E63's were properly smouldering though!

After it was discussed on a previous thread here I did ask if they'd had any problems with their C63s at World, specifically with post facelift cars as seems to be the impression, and he said hand on heart they didn't even on the much tighter MB World track and when doing the Silver Arrows drift stuff.

Sorry, I was going to include all of the above in the story but I'd already wittered on somewhat!

Oh, and the meet is going ahead August 23rd near Bicester. If you want to come just drop me a direct message and I'll ping back details and add you to the list. We've got 20+ or so signed up so far.

Cheers,

Dan

Les Borghini

15 posts

197 months

Tuesday 12th August 2014
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30 months and 22k of ownership and I finally took mine on a Car Limits fun day at North Weald airfield last Friday.

It's a PP estate with the edition 125 gearbox and it was driven with abandon, returning a heady 6.8 MPG-I would have been happy with 2 MPG as it was pretty much the most fun I have had on 4 wheels. It is monstrously fast, has excellent brakes and really comes alive when you don't have to worry about kerbs and street furniture.

Had to phone my local tyre guy from the airfield as the rear tyres were totally decimated. The queue of people wanting to jump in with me rather took me by surprise, it really was quite a crowd puller?!

Epic engine, Surely the very last of its kind

exceed

Original Poster:

455 posts

206 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Les Borghini said:
30 months and 22k of ownership and I finally took mine on a Car Limits fun day at North Weald airfield last Friday.

It's a PP estate with the edition 125 gearbox and it was driven with abandon, returning a heady 6.8 MPG-I would have been happy with 2 MPG as it was pretty much the most fun I have had on 4 wheels. It is monstrously fast, has excellent brakes and really comes alive when you don't have to worry about kerbs and street furniture.

Had to phone my local tyre guy from the airfield as the rear tyres were totally decimated. The queue of people wanting to jump in with me rather took me by surprise, it really was quite a crowd puller?!

Epic engine, Surely the very last of its kind
Posts like these keep me looking at the classifieds, think I'll wait another year for residuals to drop fully then will pick one up for the other half.

People were probably also attracted to someone driving the car properly! You rarely see this smile!

Scooby P1

2,617 posts

259 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Will this car be for sale once you've finished thrashing it and given it back?

Hangcheck

187 posts

152 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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"Truly, the diff makes this car and am I ever in the position to make good on my dream of buying one the first thing I look for on the build sheet will be option #471."

Good luck with that. I've been scouring the classifieds for either a 507 or a PPP with LSD that's relatively new/low mileage. Either the diff isn't listed on the advert or that option was one of the least ticked...

Dave Hedgehog

16,337 posts

234 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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i need this car so much biggrin

Alex507

1 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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I am lucky enough to have had one of these for the last 9 months & 13k miles and it's just a fantastic car. There are always some compromises to be made with a car like this, but the car's the steering feel, the seats, the brakes, the throttle response and the auditory experience are pretty much as good as you could ever wish for. The car has been admired by all who see it. But those who have had a ride in it are just stunned by the car performance, handling and the noise of the NA V8! They are completely unprepared for the assault on the senses that this car gives. I'm off to a AMG Power & Passion driver training course at Hockenheim in a couple of weeks and I expect I will see there that I have only really just scratched the surface of this cars true performance potential! I totally agree about the LSD, my car came without the LSD option but I quickly had a Quaife LSD fitted and it was a great improvement.

ghibbett

1,919 posts

215 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Hangcheck said:
Either the diff isn't listed on the advert or that option was one of the least ticked...
Yes it was an expensive option (£1750 if I remember correctly). Worth it though thumbup