Car Tax not transferable from October 2014?

[Emeye]

I had heard about the new car tax rules from 2014 and the removal of paper tax discs, but I was not aware until just now of the following:

Does this effect the buying and selling of used cars?
Yes, this is where the changes will be felt most keenly. From October, vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. This means the buyer will not benefit if there are months left on the tax disc. They will have to renew the tax straight away.

The seller can claim a refund from DVLA for any full calendar months left on the vehicle's tax. However, they are also responsible for informing the DVLA of the change of ownership and will face a fine if they do not do so.



Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/59941/road-tax-ho...

I am not sure if this is a good or bad thing, as those of us who change our cars often or have a number of cars now have another task to take care of.

Edited by Emeye on Thursday 14th August 12:01

Edited by Emeye on Thursday 14th August 12:07

[Toaster Pilot]

Could really use a communication from DVLA outlining how this affects the trade!

[dugsud]

Another sneaky way of extracting extra tax from the motorist!

Basically the DVLA is going to gain a months tax for every second hand car that's sold as the seller only gets full remaining months returned but the buyer has to tax it from the start of the month.

Total rip off!

[Fartgalen]

Just sell it on the last day of the month

[Jagmanv12]

dugsud said:

Basically the DVLA is going to gain a months tax for every second hand car that's sold as the seller only gets full remaining months returned but the buyer has to tax it from the start of the month.

Not the way I see it. As DVLA will only refund full months the car will still be taxed until the end of the month you buy it. There will be no disc on the screen for Bib, etc to check. When they check on the system it will show up as taxed to the end of that month.

[dugsud]

Jagmanv12 said:

dugsud said:

Basically the DVLA is going to gain a months tax for every second hand car that's sold as the seller only gets full remaining months returned but the buyer has to tax it from the start of the month.

Not the way I see it. As DVLA will only refund full months the car will still be taxed until the end of the month you buy it. There will be no disc on the screen for Bib, etc to check. When they check on the system it will show up as taxed to the end of that month.

Perhaps I'm interpreting it wrongly but lets say I sell you a car on the 10th and it's taxed until the 31st...as soon as the DVLA receive the transfer document on the 11th or 12th the tax is cancelled so you have to tax it from the beginning of the month>

[Emeye]

Jagmanv12 said:

dugsud said:

Basically the DVLA is going to gain a months tax for every second hand car that's sold as the seller only gets full remaining months returned but the buyer has to tax it from the start of the month.

Not the way I see it. As DVLA will only refund full months the car will still be taxed until the end of the month you buy it. There will be no disc on the screen for Bib, etc to check. When they check on the system it will show up as taxed to the end of that month.

But if the seller notifies the DVLA midway through the month, the DVLA may take the car off the system before the end of the month if the new buyer does not tax it.

[Impasse]

If the DVLA can divide the cost of a tax disc by 12 when refunding, why can't they divide by 52 or better still, 365?

[SilverSixer]

How can we tax immediately on purchase of a second hand car if we can't prove insurance at the exact moment of purchase?

i.e. I buy a car, I go online to tax it, my insurance company hasn't updated the database yet, so I can't buy tax. So I can't drive a car on the day I buy it. Right? I have to wait for the insurance company to update databases before I can collect the car, tax it and drive on the public roads. Sounds crap.

[The Moose]

SilverSixer said:

How can we tax immediately on purchase of a second hand car if we can't prove insurance at the exact moment of purchase?

i.e. I buy a car, I go online to tax it, my insurance company hasn't updated the database yet, so I can't buy tax. So I can't drive a car on the day I buy it. Right? I have to wait for the insurance company to update databases before I can collect the car, tax it and drive on the public roads. Sounds crap.

Insurance is not a requirement to tax a vehicle.

[Toaster Pilot]

ash73 said:

And when you go for a test drive, how can you be sure the car is taxed...?

If a private sale, http://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

If trade, surely they'd have trade plates negating any worry

[DrDeAtH]

Oh look........ Another totally flawed government IT project...

Lube up guys..... With the way the DVLA works, everyone is going to get shafted....

[HT281]

dugsud said:

Another sneaky way of extracting extra tax from the motorist!

Basically the DVLA is going to gain a months tax for every second hand car that's sold as the seller only gets full remaining months returned but the buyer has to tax it from the start of the month.

Total rip off!

Yep, spot on

[TwigtheWonderkid]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

It's also car insurance, not owner insurance, but you wouldn't expect your car insurance to be transferable.

It's a pain because it's new. Give it a year and no one will give a hoot about the changes.

[Alex]

There is no technical reason whatsoever that they couldn't refund all remaining days rather than "whole months". That is a deliberate rip-off.

Of course, along with the tax disc, the vehicle licence fee ought be scrapped completely.

[paoloh]

The Moose said:

SilverSixer said:

How can we tax immediately on purchase of a second hand car if we can't prove insurance at the exact moment of purchase?

i.e. I buy a car, I go online to tax it, my insurance company hasn't updated the database yet, so I can't buy tax. So I can't drive a car on the day I buy it. Right? I have to wait for the insurance company to update databases before I can collect the car, tax it and drive on the public roads. Sounds crap.

Insurance is not a requirement to tax a vehicle.

Really?

[JimbobVFR]

paoloh said:

Really?

Yes really, the post office asked but didn't check. The renewal reminder has also changed from an previous one I still had in my vans folder, it no longer lists an insurance certificate as a prerequisite.

[B'stard Child]

paoloh said:

The Moose said:

SilverSixer said:

How can we tax immediately on purchase of a second hand car if we can't prove insurance at the exact moment of purchase?

i.e. I buy a car, I go online to tax it, my insurance company hasn't updated the database yet, so I can't buy tax. So I can't drive a car on the day I buy it. Right? I have to wait for the insurance company to update databases before I can collect the car, tax it and drive on the public roads. Sounds crap.

Insurance is not a requirement to tax a vehicle.

Really?

It's a requirement to drive the car in the road but as far as getting a VED disc it's not checked at the post office any more.......

[oyster]

Alex said:

There is no technical reason whatsoever that they couldn't refund all remaining days rather than "whole months". That is a deliberate rip-off.

Of course, along with the tax disc, the vehicle licence fee ought be scrapped completely.

Car demand isn't falling so why would they scrap the vehicle excise duty? It's a nice little earner and it seems people keep paying it.

[Bellatrix]

Impasse said:

If the DVLA can divide the cost of a tax disc by 12 when refunding, why can't they divide by 52 or better still, 365?

This

Or better still just leave it alone