GT2 and 996tt

[superlightr]

Those who have a GT2 or 996tt - before you choose one did you drive the other? and if you did why did you go for the one you have got?

The closest comparison I can find for the GT2 is my Caterham SLR in fact the SLR has a higher Power to weight ratio, no electronic aids, and had to be careful in the wet.

There are a couple of GT2 around the £70k mark (albeit one with Brown interior)and Im thinking that if a 996tt is about £70 why not try out a GT2 (clearly sensibile to drive both, just the GT2 is a long way from me)

>>> Edited by superlightr on Friday 17th December 08:29

[dds1]

I drove both when I was initially looking.

The Turbo I drove was an X50. It was a great car, but just a little too sanitised and competent for my liking. Had I driven 15-20k miles a year, I might have gone for it, but I really only use a car for weekends and occasional weekday trips (live in Central London.) I also like to do a few trackdays a year.

The GT2 felt much more alive to me, I actually like the lack of PSM, although clearly more care is needed on a greasy road / putting your boot to the floor.

On track the GT2 is more fun than the turbo by quite some margin.

I also like the fact you don't see too many Gt2's, I think they only sold 120, and about 20 of those have been written off (including one careless dealer a few weeks ago while delivering it to a customer )
So rarity value will help residuals long term.

I think the GT2 is a misunderstood car by the press, some of it's criticisms are some of it's strong points as afar as i'm concerned, and the "widowmaker" nickname is a bit ridiculous.

Mine is going to DMS early next year for some more power, so will update people then on the quality of upgrade.

Hope that helps, i'm sure a turbo owner will be along soon to convince you the Gt2 will eat your kids

p.s. If you do go the GT2 route, try and either get one without ceramic brakes (2001 car), or swap them to steels, they are a pile of poo.

[911nutter]

dds1 said:

I also like the fact you don't see too many Gt2's, I think they only sold 120, and about 20 of those have been written off ..... I think the GT2 is a misunderstood car by the press, some of it's criticisms are some of it's strong points as afar as i'm concerned, and the "widowmaker" nickname is a bit ridiculous.

So 17% of those sold have been written off, and you think that calling it a widowmaker is rediculous....

Possibly its a strong term, but it gets its point across to the unwary....

I was very interested in the GT2 and Turbo a while back. I drove both and the GT2 was just amazing. But it was too much of a hardcore animal for me at the time. Choice depends on use. Turbo is a plausable everydayer, GT2 is not IMHO, although GuyR really needs to enter this thread for proper commentry.

If I was going for one now I would probably opt for the GT2 and use it as a track car. I'm not though cos I'm getting a 73 RSR replica for the track.

[dds1]

Widowmaker is ridiculous in scaremongering terms, any car is a widowmaker in the wrong hands, it's a limited edition 480 (stock)bhp car, of course it has the potential to kill. The reason so many have been crashed is people with not much of a clue about driving bought them cos they just wanted "the fastest porsche" , lots have changed hands for this reason, too many people bought them intially thinking they were just a faster turbo.

I would have no hesitation using mine every day if i could, but if I were doing loads of miles, I would take the 996tt for comfort, and safety in the worst of our lovely weather.

[roshambo]

I drove both & decided on the Turbo :

I use it everyday & the GT2 isn't great as an everyday ride
I would end up killing myself in it !
Bit too raw for me - sounds a bit gay but hey.
I dont do track days so that removes one of the "advantages" the GT2 has over the turbo.
If I want GT2 power levels its very easy to achieve this in a turbo.

Don't get a brown interior !

J

[jdh1]

I had a Turbo, but now have a GT2. As other replies have said, it depends what you intend doing with the car. If it's 'transport', then you'd choose the Turbo...nore user friendly, rear seats, and safety devices for all weathers. If it's fun and thrills, then it has to be the GT2.

To be honest, I found the Turbo fast but boring. It goes great but in a 'so what?' kind of way. I'm sure the GT2 could kill you, but I've managed to keep mine on the road so far - and I'm a very ordinary driver. You just have to drive it sensibly in bad conditions. Got caught out in the snow with mine a few weeks ago and it was fine.

Mines got the steel brakes, and from what I've heard, I'm glad. I paid pretty close to your guide price in silver with black interior and single figure mileage. Could be persuaded to sell because I'm a sucker for something new. If you're interested, get in touch.

[superlightr]

It would have to be in the summer (when my current car is paid off) and would need the warranty of 1 year from a dealer. Thank you.

Still not sure tt or GT2 - will drive both in the spring.

[jdh1]

That's fine...not really trying to sell...but I would, if you know what I mean.

A word on the warranty...I bought privately with no warranty, but bought a warranty through Porsche. I think it only cost £750. So don't think you've got to pay dealer price to get a warranty.

[911nutter]

jdh1 said:

A word on the warranty...I bought privately with no warranty, but bought a warranty through Porsche. I think it only cost £750. So don't think you've got to pay dealer price to get a warranty.

excellent point and sooooo right too. as long as the warranty is extended within the timeframe of the orignal porsche warranty too then the new warranty covers the same as the old one... does that make sense? have hada few drinks this lunchtime.

[superlightr]

jdh1 said:

That's fine...not really trying to sell...but I would, if you know what I mean. A word on the warranty...I bought privately with no warranty, but bought a warranty through Porsche. I think it only cost £750. So don't think you've got to pay dealer price to get a warranty.

Thank you. I didnt know that.
:0

[superlightr]

whats the GT2 like to drive on the normal uk A and B roads? Is the suspension/handling acceptable hard, bone jaring hard or teath filling jaring.?

The more I read about the GT2 - the more I get a big grin and count my pennies.

[rico]

There was a video made by a GT2 owner that i downloaded off the web a year or so ago. It was showing that the suspension is very hard so making it up a steepish driveway was impossible. YHM about that

I've been out on track in a GT2 and it came across as no different to a 996tt.

I'm sure GuyR, Henry etc will pipe in with their views soon

[rico]

superlightr... no email in your profile. drop me an email via mine

[superlightr]

Rico

YHM - Thank you.

[superlightr]

Whats the performance kit? I cannot see this on the OPC car config.

Thanks
James

>snip from OPC


VIN: WP0ZZZ99Z3S695146

Displacement: 3,600 ccm

Power Output: 420 bhp

Drivetrain: 2-WD

Steering: Right hand drive

Transmission: Manual

Colour (exterior): Arctic silver metallic

Colour (interior): Black Interior

Mileage: 14,750 m

First Registd: 04/03

Reg. Number: 03

Sales price: £74,900

Equipment: 18" Turbo Look II wheel (monobloc)
Alarm system (435 Mhz)
Aluminium-coloured instrument dials
Automatic air conditioning
Bucket seat, left
Bucket seat, right
CD storage
Carbon package (small)
Clubsport package
Coloured seat belts, Guards Red
Front centre console
On-board computer
Performance Kit
Porsche CDR 23 radio
Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB)
Top tinted windscreen
Wheel centre set
Without rear window wiper
Without sliding/tilting sunroof

Additional Information: With Porsche Approved Used Car Warranty

Location: Great Britain
Porsche Centre Hatfield
174 Great North Road
AL9 5JN Hatfield

[dazren]

The performance kit is the X50 option, ie 450bhp.

What do they mean by a 2WD drivetrain?

If the car had bucket seats fitted at the factory there will be no rear seats. Interestingly I see the car has PCCB. If you are going to drive the car hard/track it, you may wish to look into replacing them with steel discs.

Hang on. Reading this again have they quoted the BHP wrong and the car is actually a GT2? in which case what is the performance kit?

DAZ

>> Edited by dazren on Sunday 19th December 17:02

[GuyR]

You can use a GT2 as a daily driver if you wanted (Henry does), but a TT will be better (4wd, PSM and softer suspension) as it's an all-rounder whereas the GT2 is much more focussed.

My GT2 is only used for weekend use (I commute by train)and runs 550+bhp and track tires, it still gets used in the rain and sub-zero temperatures though.

But - if the conditions are not perfect, you do need to concentrate on your driving, it's not a car for daydreamers.

Guy

[grant3]

Superlight............. try them both & then decide for yourself, the GT2 is an awesome car & will certainly get your adrenalin pumping, great for track days & weekends! But the VERY firm ride, stripped out shell with less standard equipment,less sound proofing, bucket seats, no rear seats, rear wheel drive only, higher running costs (have you seen the price of replacing the ceramic brakes!) & NO PSM safety net do rather limit it's appeal as a daily driver. Having said this it's still a FANTASTIC car & I can understand the appeal, particularly seeing that Seal Grey beast at Silverstone.

For me I prefer the Turbo's mix of grunt with 4WD & PSM safety net,the problem with big hitting Turbo engines is exactly that, all that torque hits the road in one hit...2 wheels good 4 wheels better when you have that many horses! I like having B road fun without loosing too many fillings,even the TT's set up can be harsh around town. I also like the extra toys that are standard with the TT (like memory drivers seat,before I had this I used to spend years getting confortable & then some pillock moved the seat!!).
So in summary I admire the rather large dangly bits which are a feature of GT2 ownership, but me & mine prefer the 996TT, wouldn't it be a boring world if we all liked the same.....I could throw the cat amongst the Pigeons by saying if you do like the GT2 when you try it , then don't buy before you have also tried the GT3, but I won't!!!


>> Edited by grant3 on Monday 20th December 14:11

>> Edited by grant3 on Monday 20th December 14:12

[robbo66]

I had a 996TT for 12 months, hugely accomplished but a little dull after that initial wow factor has diminished. You just get used to it, and there's no aural or visceral pleasure to be derived from the experience. Just a huge amount of controlled torque. Point to point however, nothing touches it. Could do with a bigger sense of occasion, it's a proper GT IMO.

I looked at a GT2 the other day, good value at the moment. However, the 'chavesque' wing on the back put me off. I won't and never will play for Fulchester Utd.
What a minger.

[rods]

robbo66 said:

I had a 996TT for 12 months, hugely accomplished but a little dull after that initial wow factor has diminished. You just get used to it, and there's no aural or visceral pleasure to be derived from the experience. Just a huge amount of controlled torque. Point to point however, nothing touches it. Could do with a bigger sense of occasion, it's a proper GT IMO.

Now you could create a 996TTGT2,i to found the standard 996TT a little uneventful,however sports exhaust,K24 turbos,larger manifolds and a GT2 ecu upgrade has made it very eventful,as MOD500 found out to his shock yesterday....