RE: Baby got back: rear-engined Renaults
RE: Baby got back: rear-engined Renaults
Tuesday 2nd September 2014

Baby got back: rear-engined Renaults

Renault has form with powerplants in posteriors! Let's hope a warmed-up Twingo can follow some of these



So the Renault top brass have admitted that a hotter Twingo is very much on the cards. But exactly how hot is not confirmed. The limited space and packaging constraints rule out a bigger powerplant or major reconfiguration of the existing 0.9-litre turbo. Mind you, the French marque has a habit of making something extraordinary out of the everyday, so perhaps we shouldn't rule anything out just yet..

Where it all began!
Where it all began!
Renault certainly has a powerful heritage for rear-engined cars and for modifying them to produce some seriously iconic driving machines.

The 4CV was launched in 1947 as a compact, affordable, rear-engined and rear-drive machine (sound familiar?) that went on to become the most popular car in France. Later versions had up to 21hp and with a weight of just 620kg, the 4CV could top 60mph. Handling was alleged to be a bit lively in the wet...

The 4CV finally ceased production in 1961 and a year later, another rear-engined, rear-drive success story was unveiled, the R8. Initially powered by a 956cc 43hp unit, the 1,108cc Gordini was released in 1964 packing more than twice the power... and probably rather more than its chassis could cope with! It had a four-speed close ratio gearbox, dual rear dampers and servo-assisted disc brakes. The later 1,255cc version had 99hp and could top 100mph. You could have it in any colour you liked as long as it was blue with white stripes.

And who can forget this?
And who can forget this?
One of the biggest styling influences for the new Twingo's rear end was the mighty R5 Turbo. Launched at the Brussels Motor Show in 1980, this magnificent homologation special remains one of the finest conversions of a humble hatch into mini supercar.

The humble 5 Alpine supermini was transformed by the shift to a mid-mounted 1,397cc turbo driving the rear wheels. Producing 158hp and 163lb ft with a sub-tonne kerbweight, the R5 Turbo could hit sixty in under seven seconds on the way to a 130mph top speed. Pretty ordinary by fast hatch standard in 2014 but lunacy in 1980. It still looks mental 35 years on and it's little wonder that over 3,500 road going versions were sold during its lifetime.

Some 16 years after the Turbo, the supply of hallucinogens showed no sign of running out with the debut of the ridiculous Renault Sport Spider. Built at the Alpine factory in Dieppe, the Spider was designed to remind the world of Renault's sporting credentials. It featured an aluminium chassis with lightweight plastic body panels no roof and an optional windscreen. It weighed 930kg.

This one perhaps less well remembered
This one perhaps less well remembered
In fact the only normal thing about the car was the rather disappointing 2.0-litre 16v engine from the Megane coupe. It delivered just 150hp in a chassis that could handle, and deserved, so much more.

If the Spider's powerplant didn't match the design, Renault tried to remedy that with the Clio V6 of 2001. And given the way it looks, that's saying something. Revisiting that magic formula of taking a humble supermini and stuffing loads of power behind the seats delivered a real uber-hatch and probably the coolest Clio ever.

With 230hp and a creamy V6 soundtrack, it could hit 146mph. The only problem was the V6 weighed some 300kg more than the 172 Cup, meaning it was barely faster than its more humble and considerably cheaper stablemate. And until some suspension tweaks for the Phase 2 version (2003-2005), far more likely to end up in a ditch when driven hard on wet roads! The 255hp second-gen V6 was faster (over 150mph and 0-60mph in under six seconds) and handled better. At over £27,000 it wasn't cheap, but it is already considered a modern classic.

 

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dukebox9reg

Original Poster:

1,721 posts

178 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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I didn't think the Clio Williams based F7R Megane engine was that much of a bad engine.

Love the Clio V6 (exterior wise at least) Mk2's are really holding their value now.

Gordini is epic. Renault cocked it up (which they obviously realised quite quickly) by just sticking the name on some paint and trim for the Clio.

Maxi Renault 5 is one of my favourite rally cars.

Sycov

7 posts

198 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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soad

34,663 posts

206 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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A Scotsman

1,001 posts

229 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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Some years ago I was lucky enough to be invited by Elf to attend the Pau Grand Prix. Elf (now Total) have a major R&D centre in Pau which I spent a lot of time working with.

Anyway - the weekend included about a dozen laps around the circuit in an LPG fueled Spider driven by a French rally champion whose name I can't remember. It was pretty memorable not just because it was a precision lap round a great circuit but because the Spider was one heck of a little car with stacks of grip. Good fun.

Leins

10,452 posts

178 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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soad said:
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the title of "rear-engined", albeit in RHD Renault-badged form

unsprung

6,054 posts

154 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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For decades the French automotive sector had so much to offer in terms of design and engineering.

However, nowadays, it seems as if they missed a trick or two as globalization turned up the heat on competitiveness. Not a single French brand is for sale in the US, for example. And, where they do sell, they're absent in key market segments.

Let's hope they manage to turn things around. The world is poorer without their contributions and idiosyncrasies.

cookie1600

2,727 posts

191 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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Seem to missing one important one off the list:




renaultgeek

473 posts

178 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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cookie1600 said:
Seem to missing one important one off the list:



and definitely small enough.

BREMBOV6

532 posts

178 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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I love Renault Sports from the Williams to the 182 Trophy. I really do hope they do a Twingo RS as the 200T just didnt do anything for me.

I'm very lucky to own a Mk1 V6 (230) this has been one of my dream cars since I was about 14 and I love it. The handling gets bad press, in the dry it really is very good, only last I week I was out with an Elise S2 and on the twisty roads it really did hold it's own. I love it though as its mental even sitting still smile

Come on Renault!!

PHMatt

608 posts

178 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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Ahem, mid engined. Sort it out Piston Heads....

robertpaulson

44 posts

176 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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come on renaultsport, if revo can get 365hp from a 2ltr golf engine with a remap, surely you can get this to 150hp and 900kg

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

200 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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About 30 years ago, my brother shoe horned a R30 V6 engine and gearbox into the back of a Renault 8.

To say that was lively, even in the dry was an under statement.

hehe

gforceg

3,525 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2014
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PHMatt said:
Ahem, mid engined. Sort it out Piston Heads....
This thread has your name all over it.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

MonkeySpanker

319 posts

167 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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I'll just leave these here......







Edited by MonkeySpanker on Wednesday 3rd September 08:18

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Wednesday 3rd September 2014
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No mention of the Dauphine and the related Caravelle/Floride?

Mebbe not the most dynamically exciting of cars, but pretty - and the Dauphine Gordini didn't do badly in the day. History's forgotten it in favour of the 8, but...


PHMatt

608 posts

178 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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gforceg said:
This thread has your name all over it.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Lol. Its not even debatable though is it?
On all of the listed cars the engine is forward of the rear axle. That's the very epitome of mud engined. Sitting behind the front axle has split opinion for years.

It's only rear engine when it's behind the rear axle like a 911 or old Beetle/500


Leins

10,452 posts

178 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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PHMatt said:
Lol. Its not even debatable though is it?
On all of the listed cars the engine is forward of the rear axle. That's the very epitome of mud engined. Sitting behind the front axle has split opinion for years.

It's only rear engine when it's behind the rear axle like a 911 or old Beetle/500
Is the Gordini R8 not rear-engined? Agreed though, any thread featuring a R5 Turbo should have the title of mid-engined