L322 Range Rover. should I or not?

[eggchaser1987]

I have my car up for sale and some one has offered me a part ex with a diesel l322 Range Rover. Now to say I am very tempted with this is a bit of an understatement.

We have had a p38 a few years ago and really enjoyed driving it. So this again is telling me 'Yea what's the worst!'

Anyway are there any reasons that I should not go for an early l322?

Thanks all

[benjj]

Allow me to quote myself quoting myself. I wrote this in around March 2013 I think.

benjj said:

Here you go, my experience of 3 years with a 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6.

benjj said:

2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6

Owned for 3 years, sold today.

Cost of keeping it on the road:

29,000 miles at 23.1mpg = £7090
Servicing = £1300
Tyres = £1430 (8)
Insurance = £1950
Road tax = £780
Brakes = £550
Air struts (front shocks) = £1000
ARB and hub bushes = £350 (fitted)

Ok, all the above just the price of running a luxury car, no real complaints from me. Expensive but kind of half expected. But on top of that is:

Steering column £1000
Gearbox £1800
Transfer box £1100
Sat nav £340
Misc seals/rubbers £240
Air compressor £420
Park sensors £230
Turbo £1850
Engine £5400

Bought for £18,800 December 2009, sold today for £10,400.

My £18,800 used car over 29,000 miles cost me a grand total of £45,630. Not really what I expected. Still, I've got £10k back of that in £20 notes on the kitchen table, may as well buy some blow and forget my mistake.

[Impasse]

I owned mine for about ten years/70k miles and apart from the usual things like brakes/tyres/bushes it needed a radiator, an alternator and a water pump. The alternator was expensive (BMW part), the water pump was a simple fix (BMW part) and the radiator had a bit of tree poked into it.

[jonah35]

benjj said:

Allow me to quote myself quoting myself. I wrote this in around March 2013 I think.

benjj said:

Here you go, my experience of 3 years with a 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6.

benjj said:

2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6

Owned for 3 years, sold today.

Cost of keeping it on the road:

29,000 miles at 23.1mpg = £7090
Servicing = £1300
Tyres = £1430 (8)
Insurance = £1950
Road tax = £780
Brakes = £550
Air struts (front shocks) = £1000
ARB and hub bushes = £350 (fitted)

Ok, all the above just the price of running a luxury car, no real complaints from me. Expensive but kind of half expected. But on top of that is:

Steering column £1000
Gearbox £1800
Transfer box £1100
Sat nav £340
Misc seals/rubbers £240
Air compressor £420
Park sensors £230
Turbo £1850
Engine £5400

Bought for £18,800 December 2009, sold today for £10,400.

My £18,800 used car over 29,000 miles cost me a grand total of £45,630. Not really what I expected. Still, I've got £10k back of that in £20 notes on the kitchen table, may as well buy some blow and forget my mistake.

Yeah but your engine and turbo and gearbox went,without those it wouldn't have been bad. That said id rather lease an evoque for £280pm inc vat and do 50mpg and have no worries and drive a brand new car.

[55palfers]

I'm in the same boat.

My mileage has significantly dropped, so I really fancy a petrol RR, but...

There's that nagging reliability thing all the time.

OK, I will get a post 2009 one and that was (so I'm told) when quality and reliability improved.

Great cars. Love 'em. Just don't want a money pit.

[anonymous-user]

I've had a Classic and P38. Loved them both and did consider an L322 at one point. I'd never actually say they were unreliable however you will find yourself doing an awful lot of 'preventive maintenance' with one. Considering BMW spent something silly like nearly a billion dollars on design and development of the L322 you'd imagine it to be a paragon of reliability. I guess it's the curse of the Land Rover badge . Best quote I've ever seen is to think of a Rangie as a hobby first and mode of transport second.

[DoctorX]

Think I'd rather go out and find my own rather than take one someone's looking to off load.

[Engineerino]

From what I've heard, the diesel bmw engines have the weaker gearboxes.

Have ran a 4.2 petrol for about a month now, and I can honestly say there is a staggering amount to go wrong. Mine has a great habit of having the parking sensors, adaptive headlights and sound system when engine is off all work and then not work, depending on the day of the month it seems.

My advice would be to shell out for a very good warranty if you are seriously considering one.

[anonymous-user]

Engineerino said:

From what I've heard, the diesel bmw engines have the weaker gearboxes.

Have ran a 4.2 petrol for about a month now, and I can honestly say there is a staggering amount to go wrong. Mine has a great habit of having the parking sensors, adaptive headlights and sound system when engine is off all work and then not work, depending on the day of the month it seems.

My advice would be to shell out for a very good warranty if you are seriously considering one.

Yes, I think it's the electrics that let them down unfortunately. Chap at work bought a td6 about a year ago. It's been very good from a reliability point of view however it currently has a problem with the CD changer (minor), intermittent gearbox light coming on (worrying) plus has recently decided to only start second turn over of the engine. With a Rangie it's certainly a case of waiting for the next thing to go wrong

[hornetrider]

DoctorX said:

Think I'd rather go out and find my own rather than take one someone's looking to off load.

This. Someone is probably trying to ditch a lemon.

[anonymous-user]

benjj said:

Allow me to quote myself quoting myself. I wrote this in around March 2013 I think.

benjj said:

Here you go, my experience of 3 years with a 2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6.

benjj said:

2004 Range Rover Vogue Td6

Owned for 3 years, sold today.

Cost of keeping it on the road:

29,000 miles at 23.1mpg = £7090
Servicing = £1300
Tyres = £1430 (8)
Insurance = £1950
Road tax = £780
Brakes = £550
Air struts (front shocks) = £1000
ARB and hub bushes = £350 (fitted)

Ok, all the above just the price of running a luxury car, no real complaints from me. Expensive but kind of half expected. But on top of that is:

Steering column £1000
Gearbox £1800
Transfer box £1100
Sat nav £340
Misc seals/rubbers £240
Air compressor £420
Park sensors £230
Turbo £1850
Engine £5400

Bought for £18,800 December 2009, sold today for £10,400.

My £18,800 used car over 29,000 miles cost me a grand total of £45,630. Not really what I expected. Still, I've got £10k back of that in £20 notes on the kitchen table, may as well buy some blow and forget my mistake.

You bought Trigger's broom.

[Engineerino]

St John Smythe said:

Yes, I think it's the electrics that let them down unfortunately. Chap at work bought a td6 about a year ago. It's been very good from a reliability point of view however it currently has a problem with the CD changer (minor), intermittent gearbox light coming on (worrying) plus has recently decided to only start second turn over of the engine. With a Rangie it's certainly a case of waiting for the next thing to go wrong

The upside is that you get a great feeling of satisfaction that you completed a journey without issues

Sadly the electrics really aren't up to scratch in a car with this amount of options. I also found out that there a big chance my supercharger pump has been wired the wrong way from the factory today!

[Phateuk]

DoctorX said:

Think I'd rather go out and find my own rather than take one someone's looking to off load.

This.

I'd say a pretty large number of people wanting to part-ex will be due to impending failure..

[AuthurDaley]

I ran a TD6 for two years and done 15'000 miles.

Tyres - 550
Air compressor - 350
Diff recall - Free
Service x1 - All fluids inspection 2 - 490
Gearbox flush - 150
Refurb of some shoddy interior trim - 100

It had some wierd quirks too, like draining batterys (electrical fix) and the doors freezing shut in winter to the point where the special officer doofey secruity gaurd (tool) at my old place of work called the police as he thought I was breaking into it by sliding a card around the door seal to get in the damb thing (soon found out afterwards by the spacko main dealers that all it needed was some silcone spray around the seals to sort it - if they designed the car properly in the first place it would not have happened...)

It was from a dealership (not main) with a warranty worth less then a threepenny bit. I could not even be arsed to deal with them for the sake of the repair cost so just paid myself to avoid the horrific experience of speaking to them.

Overall, it was a cool car though! Every journey was a little event (in a good way) and its never actually broke down on me or left me stranded. The interior was a truly nice place to be.

Ideally with cars like this buy an approved used one, or hold back cash for repairs at a specialist. TD6 is the one with bigger risk due to gearbox and turbo being failing points. Petrols are pretty soild.

[POORCARDEALER]

We usually have a td6, current one is an 04, in 20K miles its needed

1 front airbag strut thingy £220

4 tyres (bought wheels as well off ebay for £300)

Gearbox oil & filter change £160

1 front arm £70

front discs and pads £200

Not bad really...this one had a recon box before I bought it, the last one we had went on us, sorted for £1200

[55palfers]

Do you reckon petrol are more reliable than diesel?

[anonymous-user]

55palfers said:

Do you reckon petrol are more reliable than diesel?

Gearbox is the weak point on the diesel. I'd go for a petrol with LPG conversion.

[schmalex]

I had an 04 V8 and other than it needing a new gearbox (under warranty), it was perfectly fine

[Chainguy]

A td6 rangie owner once told me it made him happy twice. The day he bought it, and the day he sold it.

TDV8 yes, I would. But not the 6. Big bag of 'nope' from me there.

[CAPP0]

benjj said:

Allow me to quote myself quoting myself. I wrote this in around March 2013 I think.


My £18,800 used car over 29,000 miles cost me a grand total of £45,630. Not really what I expected. Still, I've got £10k back of that in £20 notes on the kitchen table, may as well buy some blow and forget my mistake.

To counter that:

2006 4.4 Petrol (Jag engine) purchased almost exactly 3 years ago for £22,000 with 43k on the clock. Now showing 78k.

Approximate costs:

£1000 servicing ("consumable"?)
£500 for two front suspension airbags (one of them split one day, I replaced the pair myself, easy job)
£130-ish for a new battery (consumable)
Couple of odds & sods (broken clips, etc) say £100

I had 4 new Pirelli Scorpion Zeros fitted as part of the purchase deal and I have JUST (as in, 2 weeks ago) replaced those. Again, a consumable, and I got a blinding deal with 4 more of the same tyre fitted for £650.

I genuinely can't think of anything else I have spent on maintenance on the car. I bought a tow bar and a boot liner but those were out of choice.

And it has been utterly reliable, to the point where I am struggling to justify replacing it. It was serviced about a month ago by a good indy and they gave it a clean bill of health and said it was worth hanging on to. Value today? I don't know, I guess £10-12k, so it has dropped around £3.5-4k per year, which isn't too sad on a car which was about £80k new.