New Toyota FR Coupe-Hatch in Development

[PK1987]

Supposedly toyota are developing a ground up sports car to sit below the 86. In house development code is 69dz. The car is set to weigh 980kg and the engine will produce circa 130hp from a 1.5l NA inline 4 (designated 2nr-fke), which is being codeveloped by yamaha (win). The dimensions are similar to the 86 but it is supposedly slightly shorter in length and slightly taller in height. It is due to sell in Japan for something in the region of £9k-10k from 2017.

Being a big fan of the ae86 this is big news for me and personally I hope this comes to the UK as it really will be a truly affordable rwd car. Check out motoring.au for more info or Google toyota 69dz if you can read Japanese!

Anyone else keen?

[Escy]

I'm underwhelmed. With 130bhp it'll tank like the GT86

[Johnnytheboy]

Presumably Toyota will go on about it, releasing various concepts and teasers for a good two years, then the actual car will be somewhat underwhelming.

[Kozy]

Google brings up two images amongst (bizarrely) lots of images of BMW 1 Series.

[aka_kerrly]

Would it not be likely that the smaller version is only a 2 seater with a small boot , if they could build something akin to a MX5 coupe/Genetta G40 then that could be quite interesting.

[PK1987]

I think it's intended as a 1 series competitor, hence the similar styling. I'm looking forward to it! Like a rwd suzuki swift sport!

[aka_kerrly]

PK1987 said:

I think it's intended as a 1 series competitor, hence the similar styling. I'm looking forward to it! Like a rwd suzuki swift sport!

How is a sub 1000kg 130hp coupe for £10k going to be a 1 series competitor?

If i were looking for styling inspiration the 1 series is not where I'd be looking.

something like this:


crossed with this

Edited by aka_kerrly on Monday 8th September 16:27

[JDMDrifter]

Surely its more of an mx5 competitor? Yes it's not a vert but in terms of size, engine ouput etc?

[Johnnytheboy]

PK1987 said:

I think it's intended as a 1 series competitor, hence the similar styling. I'm looking forward to it! Like a rwd suzuki swift sport!

n.b. you can buy a 300+ bhp 1-Series.

[Debaser]

Sounds like an alternative to the new RWD Twingo.

[LasseV]

Yeah i'm interested. Is this a real successor for ae86? I mean cheap and fun rwd coupe.

[Kawasicki]

Excellent news.

[xRIEx]

Escy said:

I'm underwhelmed. With 130bhp it'll tank like the GT86

So 4bhp more than a 1.8 MX-5 while weighing 130kg less?

It's commercial suicide, I tell you.

[anonymous-user]

Around 120bhp/ton when you're driving it. Wow, party like it's 1987 man!!

[aka_kerrly]

Max_Torque said:

Around 120bhp/ton when you're driving it. Wow, party like it's 1987 man!!

Yep it may not sound like a lot if you intend to use it as a track car base but as a daily driver/occasional car it's starting to make far more sense to have something that you can boot it in more than the first 2 gears before you're into license losing speeds.

[Captain Muppet]

aka_kerrly said:

How is a sub 1000kg 130hp coupe for £10k going to be a 1 series competitor?

If i were looking for styling inspiration the 1 series is not where I'd be looking.

something like this:

Can't decide whether to buy an MX5 or an S2 Elise? Simply smash them both together.

[xRIEx]

Max_Torque said:

Around 120bhp/ton when you're driving it. Wow, party like it's 1987 man!!

The NC MX-5 1.8 has about 106bhp/tonne (including an 80kg driver) - is it really that far from its intended market?

[Johnnytheboy]

I'm imagining this more like a RWD Puma and less like a 1-Series rival tbh.

[StottyEvo]

I'd prefer a 3 banger as they sound much better.

Is it supposed to be a four seater? If so, that's an extremely impressive predicted kerb weight.

[flatso]

PK1987 said:

I think it's intended as a 1 series competitor, hence the similar styling. I'm looking forward to it! Like a rwd suzuki swift sport!

BMW and Toyota have signed a rather comprehensive collaboration deal last year (I believe) covering amongst other things hydrogen fuel cell cars and sportcars.