Thursday 25th September 2014

Jaguar XE powertrain info

Back in the real world details of Jag's Ingenium engine reveal how XE will take on all conquering 320d

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Jaguar's ceaseless excitement around its new family of 'Ingenium' diesel engines can perhaps be forgiven. After all, it isn't every day that a new £500m, 100,000sq m engine factory opens to build powertrains for a Jaguar's new compact executive challenger.

Need more info? See here!

Facing the best that Audi, BMW and Mercedes can produce necessitates some very good powertrains. The numbers now confirmed for the XE diesels really do deliver on Jaguar's 'benchmark efficiency' claims; the headline-grabbing 99g/km, 75mpg lower-powered diesel matches a 320d Efficient Dynamics on power and torque exactly (163hp/280lb ft). A 180hp/317lb ft version of the 2.0-litre Ingenium diesel will rival the 'regular' 184hp 320d. For reference the comparable C-Class is 170hp/295lb ft combined with 64.2mpg and 109g/km. If you really, really still want an A4 instead then a 2.0 TDI 163 Ultra is 163hp/295lb ft plus 64mpg/114g/km. And we solemnly promise to never be so diesel obsessed ever again.

As clean sheet designs sharing nothing with existing JLR diesels the Ingenium units should be exemplary. To that end the engines are all-aluminium with twin balancer shafts to minimise vibration. Refinement is really being pushed with an acoustic sump cover, decoupled injectors and 0.5mm ovality on the inj... it'll be a quiet diesel, let's leave it at that. Of course they also comply with every emissions regulation going as well

Obviously the Ingenium engines will be the most popular in the UK (this diesel discussion is all for you, see) and launched in the XE alongside the 2.0-litre turbo petrol and F-Type sourced supercharged V6. Let's hope the next powertrain story on the XE features is rather more PH. And mentions a V8.

[mrclav]

Although not in the market for something like this at all, I must say those numbers are quite impressive...

[ILoveMondeo]

Really tempted by a new one of these next year.

Man maths says that the saving in fuel alone over my current daily driver would pretty much pay for the lease/finance payments....

[richs2891]

Lets see what the real world number are, not what the manufacturers claims / makes up !

[ILoveMondeo]

richs2891 said:

Lets see what the real world number are, not what the manufacturers claims / makes up !

Indeed, I'm doing my man-maths on a slightly more conservative 55mpg average. which may still be a little optimistic.

[RicksAlfas]

richs2891 said:

Lets see what the real world number are, not what the manufacturers claims / makes up !

The one figure all company car drivers are looking at is the CO2. That's what will make or break this car in the fleet market for Jaguar. I won't say the mpg is irrelevant, but every company car driver starts their sums off with the CO2, not the mpg.

[seiw]

RicksAlfas said:

The one figure all company car drivers are looking at is the CO2. That's what will make or break this car in the fleet market for Jaguar. I won't say the mpg is irrelevant, but every company car driver starts their sums off with the CO2, not the mpg.

For a given fuel, CO2 emissions ~ k*fuel used

that is CO2 emissions are very close to being proportional to fuel economy...

[kambites]

Indeed, but the difference is that people care about actual fuel economy and test CO2.

[richs2891]

And in the non company car sector the claimed mpg and what lease / PCH deal can get will be more relevant than the co2 figure.

[MonkeySpanker]

seiw said:

For a given fuel, CO2 emissions ~ k*fuel used

that is CO2 emissions are very close to being proportional to fuel economy...

The engine's been homologated at 99g/km,we all got samosa's to celebrate

[berlintaxi]

RicksAlfas said:

richs2891 said:

Lets see what the real world number are, not what the manufacturers claims / makes up !

The one figure all company car drivers are looking at is the CO2. That's what will make or break this car in the fleet market for Jaguar. I won't say the mpg is irrelevant, but every company car driver starts their sums off with the CO2, not the mpg.

And in the infinite race to the lowest how long until the Government see fit to re-band all the co2 levels for BIK rates?

[Steve vRS]

berlintaxi said:

And in the infinite race to the lowest how long until the Government see fit to re-band all the co2 levels for BIK rates?

Which is why this year I'll be more than likely giving up my co, car and buying a 1.4T petrol engined car!

[TWW]

"Refinement is really being pushed with an acoustic sump cover, decoupled injectors and 0.5mm ovality on the inj... it'll be a quiet diesel, let's leave it at that."

Full marks to Matt Bird for cutting to point.

[panholio]

Was it just me or was this paragraph awful to read?

Matt Bird said:

Facing the best that Audi, BMW and Mercedes can produce necessitates some very good powertrains. The numbers now confirmed for the XE diesels really do deliver on Jaguar's 'benchmark efficiency' claims; the headline-grabbing 99g/km, 75mpg lower-powered diesel matches a 320d Efficient Dynamics on power and torque exactly (163hp/280lb ft). A 180hp/317lb ft version of the 2.0-litre Ingenium diesel will rival the 'regular' 184hp 320d. For reference the comparable C-Class is 170hp/295lb ft combined with 64.2mpg and 109g/km. If you really, really still want an A4 instead then a 2.0 TDI 163 Ultra is 163hp/295lb ft plus 64mpg/114g/km. And we solemnly promise to never be so diesel obsessed ever again.

[ProBodge]

MonkeySpanker said:

The engine's been homologated at 99g/km,we all got samosa's to celebrate

Samosa's are the king of the celebrationary snacks!

You JLR lads seem to be fuelled by Costa coffee and samosa's. Clearly it's working for you!

[astirling]

panholio said:

Was it just me or was this paragraph awful to read?

Matt Bird said:

Facing the best that Audi, BMW and Mercedes can produce necessitates some very good powertrains. The numbers now confirmed for the XE diesels really do deliver on Jaguar's 'benchmark efficiency' claims; the headline-grabbing 99g/km, 75mpg lower-powered diesel matches a 320d Efficient Dynamics on power and torque exactly (163hp/280lb ft). A 180hp/317lb ft version of the 2.0-litre Ingenium diesel will rival the 'regular' 184hp 320d. For reference the comparable C-Class is 170hp/295lb ft combined with 64.2mpg and 109g/km. If you really, really still want an A4 instead then a 2.0 TDI 163 Ultra is 163hp/295lb ft plus 64mpg/114g/km. And we solemnly promise to never be so diesel obsessed ever again.

Who cares. Let's talk about the car.

[stumpage]

Do we know when deliveries for the XE will start? I know it's 2015 but when, my current company car needs replacing in May and the XE seems, in my eyes, a winner.

[anonymous-user]

Brilliant, look forward to seeing the next gen 6 cylinder diesels they make. I cannot accept a 4 pot diesel in anything other than an economy car, but a sufficiently refined 6 pot can be a very nice thing.

[r11co]

mrclav said:

Although not in the market for something like this at all, I must say those numbers are quite impressive...

And they have to be. This car is pitched straight at the bean-counters who decide for others what car they will drive.

MonkeySpanker said:

The engine's been homologated at 99g/km.

So JLR have mastered the jumping-through-hoops required to get those all important on-paper figures that of course bear scant relation to the real-world 'stuck on the M25' numbers. Can't blame them as that is the name of the game today, but the greenwash continues.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 25th September 09:36

[unpc]

Steve vRS said:

Which is why this year I'll be more than likely giving up my co, car and buying a 1.4T petrol engined car!

Don't go doing anything rash

[Kawasicki]

MonkeySpanker said:

seiw said:

For a given fuel, CO2 emissions ~ k*fuel used

that is CO2 emissions are very close to being proportional to fuel economy...

The engine's been homologated at 99g/km,we all got samosa's to celebrate

Well done, I'm impressed it's your own engine.