Wheel alignment V geometry set up
Wheel alignment V geometry set up
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Monkeynut21

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67 posts

152 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Firstly whats the difference between the tracking/wheel alignment I would get from almost any high street garage or indy and the geometry set up that the local Porsche specialist is recommending on his fancy £20k machine. Is it any different and is it any better given the the car is going to be driven on the road by a driver of normal ability? Also £180 seams a bit steep, is this a fair price?

kambites

71,510 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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"Alignment" typically only means toe angles (also called tracking). "Full geometry" will also adjust static camber and caster at very minimum.

I'd certainly say it's worth getting everything checked. Whether it's worth adjusting them will depend on how far out they are and/or whether you want non-standard settings.

ETA: £180 is pretty steep these days, but I guess no more so than you'd expect of a Porsche main dealer.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th September 15:23

e21Mark

17,563 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Depends where you go I guess, but I paid £80 to have my M3 geo' done recently. It took about 40 minutes. I'd shop about a bit if I were you.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Alignment and geometry are the same difference. Almost any tyre place will have full castor/camber/toe four-wheel kit these days.

kambites

71,510 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
Alignment and geometry are the same difference. Almost any tyre place will have full castor/camber/toe four-wheel kit these days.
They may have the equipment to measure them, they probably wont have the tools and expertise required to adjust them.

selym

9,581 posts

201 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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e21Mark said:
Depends where you go I guess, but I paid £80 to have my M3 geo' done recently. It took about 40 minutes. I'd shop about a bit if I were you.
Reasonable. Prices vary wildly from so cheap you aren't sure if you'll die after to so expensive you think it's being done by the Williams team.

Ennoch

371 posts

168 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Most tyre shops will do a toe/thrust setup but not touch camber/caster. Given the massive influence that these have on handling I firmly view that on a performance car the full setup process is worth the extra cost. You can transform some cars with some subtle front/rear tweaks when the guy doing it knows his stuff.

shalmaneser

6,449 posts

225 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Alignment and geometry are the same difference. Almost any tyre place will have full castor/camber/toe four-wheel kit these days.
They may have the equipment to measure them, they probably wont have the tools and expertise required to adjust them.
It's not very hard to adjust camber if you have adjustable mounts - not that the vast majority of porsches have that level of adjustablity.

four wheel toe is easy, it's just the same on the front as it is on the back.

Castor is a bit different but highly unlikely to be changed or even adjustable.

e21Mark

17,563 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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selym said:
e21Mark said:
Depends where you go I guess, but I paid £80 to have my M3 geo' done recently. It took about 40 minutes. I'd shop about a bit if I were you.
Reasonable. Prices vary wildly from so cheap you aren't sure if you'll die after to so expensive you think it's being done by the Williams team.
I asked on here, for someone to recommend a place to use.

OP - whereabouts are you?

kambites

71,510 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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shalmaneser said:
It's not very hard to adjust camber if you have adjustable mounts - not that the vast majority of porsches have that level of adjustablity.

four wheel toe is easy, it's just the same on the front as it is on the back.

Castor is a bit different but highly unlikely to be changed or even adjustable.
They're all adjustable on my car. I don't know about Porsches, though; I certainly doubt rear camber is adjustable since it's a strut based system? smile

Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th September 15:42

Monkeynut21

Original Poster:

67 posts

152 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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e21Mark said:
I asked on here, for someone to recommend a place to use.

OP - whereabouts are you?
I'm in Darlington, North East England.

HorneyMX5

5,759 posts

180 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
shalmaneser said:
It's not very hard to adjust camber if you have adjustable mounts - not that the vast majority of porsches have that level of adjustablity.

four wheel toe is easy, it's just the same on the front as it is on the back.

Castor is a bit different but highly unlikely to be changed or even adjustable.
They're all adjustable on my car. smile
Snap smile

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Alignment and geometry are the same difference. Almost any tyre place will have full castor/camber/toe four-wheel kit these days.
They may have the equipment to measure them, they probably wont have the tools and expertise required to adjust them.
IF they're adjustable, any competent place will be able to.

kambites

71,510 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
IF they're adjustable, any competent place will be able to.
Now you're stretching the requirement to include "competent". hehe

I certainly wouldn't trust Kwik Fit to fiddle with my suspension. smile

Debaser

8,486 posts

291 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
kambites said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Alignment and geometry are the same difference. Almost any tyre place will have full castor/camber/toe four-wheel kit these days.
They may have the equipment to measure them, they probably wont have the tools and expertise required to adjust them.
IF they're adjustable, any competent place will be able to.
Finding somewhere competent is the tricky part!

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

240 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Just Google alignmycar. That'll locate your nearest Hunter alignment equiped garage.

Prices vary a lot for a 4 wheel align here in the Essex Badlands but the guys at The Tyre Shop in Witham are very good and reasonable - IIRC about £60

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
Now you're stretching the requirement to include "competent". hehe

I certainly wouldn't trust Kwik Fit to fiddle with my suspension. smile
Mmm. I think that was implicit... I wouldn't trust many of the national chains to change my tyres...

Rick101

7,189 posts

180 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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Be careful where you go. Easy to buy the machine, not as easy having the knowledge and skills to do it properly.

Get recommendations, use a specialist.

Do not go to kwik fit!

Mound Dawg

1,927 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
ETA: £180 is pretty steep these days, but I guess no more so than you'd expect of a Porsche main dealer.
Especially since they probably don't have the equipment on the premises so will send it to the local tyre depot then add a slice on top for their trouble.



edc

9,656 posts

281 months

Thursday 25th September 2014
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kambites said:
shalmaneser said:
It's not very hard to adjust camber if you have adjustable mounts - not that the vast majority of porsches have that level of adjustablity.

four wheel toe is easy, it's just the same on the front as it is on the back.

Castor is a bit different but highly unlikely to be changed or even adjustable.
They're all adjustable on my car. I don't know about Porsches, though; I certainly doubt rear camber is adjustable since it's a strut based system? smile

Edited by kambites on Thursday 25th September 15:42
On a 986/996 front and rear camber has adjustment. With a couple of minor and very cheap mods you can get plenty of extra adjustment, more than you'd normally need for the road.