Multiple Rebuilds.

[yi8tvr]

These engines that keep going back after rebuilds, is it crap parts or monkies putting them together. Cant quite see its parts anymore....

[oxbow]

yi8tvr said:

These engines that keep going back after rebuilds, is it crap parts or monkies putting them together. Cant quite see its parts anymore....

I'll let my mate UNREPENTENT answer this . He enjoys this topic so much! BUT....., Beware!

[jeremyc]

yi8tvr said:

These engines that keep going back after rebuilds, is it crap parts or monkies putting them together. Cant quite see its parts anymore....

Remember that in all engineering there is a potential third cause: the design itself.

[lady topaz]

jeremyc said:

yi8tvr said: These engines that keep going back after rebuilds, is it crap parts or monkies putting them together. Cant quite see its parts anymore.... Remember that in all engineering there is a potential third cause: the design itself.

And a fourth, like the guy I know who collected his from the factory and went straight to a supermarket car-park and do-nutted it with a cold engine. Some people never learn.
I daresay everyone but himself will be to blame when it goes pop again.

[J_S_G]

I'd say a combination of:
* Rushed jobs as there's too many others queued up waiting to be rebuilt (mine came back with a couple of very careless mistakes that could've cost me the engine/my life)
* Some owners (probably not that many of them on here) still treating their cars like crap. Don't think that'd count for all that many, though, and you don't see that many other cars suffering the same
* Potentially some ropey parts... if the proper QA procedures aren't in place, they can still get a bad batch of bits.
* Potentially an inherent design problem that they've tried to work around with uprated parts, but that isn't a "perfect" solution

[PatHeald]

In the past I have voiced my dismay at the evident poor reliability of these engines.

As much as I like Tuscans and T350s, I was sufficiently put off buying an S6 car because of their poor reputation that I have just spent a whole pot of money on an immaculate Griffith.

I've only had the thing a couple of weeks and I already love the Griffith, but I followed a Tuscan out of Wigan the other night.

It looked fantastic and sounded absolutely great.

As soon as there is sufficient evidence that the motor is properly fixed, then I will seriously look at putting money into one.

A brilliant, but flawed car.

I still want one.

Cheers,

Pat

[Graham66]

You haven't lived until you ahve had the pleasure of multiuple rebuilds - the joy at getting the car back eventually, the fun of running it in, the little noise that gets you worried and turns out to be nothing - then the bigger noise which only arrives once you have relaxed in to a sorted car, only the bigger noise is an expensive noise....it's all character forming ;D

Happy New Year all, been a bit quiet on here recently and having just read through the usual bitching, insults and moaning I thought I would bring some small rays of sunlight in to your world!!!

Graham

[J_S_G]

I've found the perfect cure to engine concerns... just get the car sent in for a front end respray, etc. that ends up taking months, and suddenly you stop worrying all about the Tusc and its engine, pottering around in a big old Rover, knowing you'll arrive at your destination on time, just letting all the flash cars pass you by on the road, knowing that they have stress, whereas you have slipper-wearing, pipe-smoking calm.

Driving is tranquil once again.

Only problem is, when it comes back there'll not only be the issue of worrying about the engine, but now the added pondering over what'll have seized up with it being off the road for so long...

[bogie]

LOL....done 1800 miles since rebuild...seems better than ever...well engine wise anyway !, since the factory service when 'all parts checked and replaced as required FOC' 2 rear shocks collapsed by the time we'd run her in, speedo sensor is on the blink, 2 other error codes every few hours, LCD display missing half the text, fuel pressure sender was leaking oil so replaced and 5th gear seems to be crunching quite badly (maybe synchro) ...so doing fine for a 2.5 year old car, bought with 12K miles on, 7 months ago, thats been off the road for 4 months, and weve managed to drive 3 K miles in (1K running in again) .,.....you've got to laugh about it really ....an awesome car when its running though....I would think twice about parting with £50K for a new un....maybe they should do a deal with Ford so they can give away a 'free' Fiesta with every new car?...kinda like an on-site courtesy car for when you will be without the TVR...it at least would give piece of mind that you may make it to work in the morning via one means of transport

ps - shocks wernt even covered under warranty 'wear & tear item' mmmm....like they are designed to collapse after 14K miles? mmmm...better budget for some more next year then !

>> Edited by bogie on Thursday 6th January 00:15

[J_S_G]

bogie said:

maybe they should do a deal with Ford so they can give away a 'free' Fiesta with every new car?...kinda like an on-site courtesy car for when you will be without the TVR...it at least would give piece of mind that you may make it to work in the morning via one means of transport

Remember seeing an ad on here for a (2nd hand) Cerb ages ago that came with a "free" old high-mileage 406 as a runabout for when it broke down. Nice touch.

bogie said:

ps - shocks wernt even covered under warranty 'wear & tear item' mmmm....like they are designed to collapse after 14K miles? mmmm...better budget for some more next year then !

Silver lining: time for Nitrons! Not really acceptable, mind...

[bogie]

J_S_G said:

bogie said: maybe they should do a deal with Ford so they can give away a 'free' Fiesta with every new car?...kinda like an on-site courtesy car for when you will be without the TVR...it at least would give piece of mind that you may make it to work in the morning via one means of transport Remember seeing an ad on here for a (2nd hand) Cerb ages ago that came with a "free" old high-mileage 406 as a runabout for when it broke down. Nice touch. excellent - my kinda style....in fact when the TVR went in for a rebuild...what did we buy as a runaround - an old 406 ! bogie said: ps - shocks wernt even covered under warranty 'wear & tear item' mmmm....like they are designed to collapse after 14K miles? mmmm...better budget for some more next year then ! Silver lining: time for Nitrons! Not really acceptable, mind...

definately.....

funny thing is, over my xmas hols, on the 1st 2 days I ended up pushing both our other cars - my Elise broke down outside the dentist (dodgy relay) and then the 'reliable' Pug 406 didnt like the cold weather and stranded us twice without the starting...so we ended up with the Tuscan being the only reliable vehicle out of the 3 during the hols!

...im seriously thinking its time for a Volvo estate and a 911

[BaroN1]

I'm with Lady Topaz on this one.

Without trying to sound patronising, how many of you with engine probs haven't ever exceeded 2500rpm until oil temp upwards of 50deg? And have you run the car with little or no oil in it ever?

Can someone confirm to me that they have been positively anal about temps and fluid levels from birth and still had serious engine problems?

Thanks


BaroN

[GI Jnr]

BaroN1 said:

Can someone confirm to me that they have been positively anal about temps and fluid levels from birth and still had serious engine problems?

I am positively anal about these things, and people who know me will testify. Water checked pre starting and oil post drive, and not driven hard until warm. Always

I was driving at 60 MPH on the motorway for 15 minutes on Sunday until the temps on the Murci had warmed sufficiently (That was funny to see the people's faces as they were passing!)

I've had 2 Tuscans (2000 & 2003) and an early T350C. I seriously would not hesitate to buy another S6 engine, in fact our Sagaris will hopefully be with us in Spring.

Would happily look anybody in the eye and say I honestly do not think that providing the regular checks are done, the car is warmed up, however buys my Tuscan will have a blinder of a car.

Tuan

[ehasler]

BaroN1 said:

Can someone confirm to me that they have been positively anal about temps and fluid levels from birth and still had serious engine problems?

It doesn't seem to matter. I'm very careful warming mine up, but still suffered a blown head gasket last March.

[R666 TUS]

I can confirm for you that when I got mine
back in August after spending 4 grand of
my own money on a rebuild that all precautions
regarding temp and revs where strictly adhered
too.Once the first one thousand miles where
completed and the service done I increased revs
to upto 5000,plan being to do this for another
1000 miles but before I even got that far the engine
went again ( 3 litres of oil in 300 miles)
I now have the car back after a free rebuild(in only 19 days by the way)and I am currently doing the same again but hoping for better result this time. Only done 450 miles so far but engine is far smoother
running than last time and has used no oil YET.
As a footnote did you know a 1.4 litre Ford Slocus
is faster by far than a Tuscan (eek)? Takes me 25 minutes to get home from my place of work in the Ford as I start it hoof it straight up to a ton on the M way.Same journey in the Tuscan is nearly ten minutes
longer due to long warm up period. Yes it is more enjoyable though.
Must go now finger tired (rolleyes)

Col

P.S Why do my smiley's never work ?

>> Edited by R666 TUS on Thursday 6th January 12:24

[bogie]

well I can confirm that yes we do treat ours like that...I am used to running a 230bhp K series Elise for 2.5 years, so I take care of my fragile engines

however, we have no knowledge of how the car was treated during the first 12K miles of its life...previous owner said he was religous about it and before that it was a lady who just went down the shops in it and did 1800 miles in 20 months....guess we will have to wait and see

[KormaChameleon]

I drove my Tuscan as though it was a Cessna 310R - constantly monitoring the oil and water temps and pressures and rpms at all times (no manifold pressure sadly...)

That didn't stop me having 2 rebuilds (no trackdays).

After the last rebuild at 14k miles I have not been quite so paranoid and touch wood, everything has been fine since the mmmm, upgrades.

[Graham66]

BaroN1 said:

I'm with Lady Topaz on this one. Without trying to sound patronising, how many of you with engine probs haven't ever exceeded 2500rpm until oil temp upwards of 50deg? And have you run the car with little or no oil in it ever? Can someone confirm to me that they have been positively anal about temps and fluid levels from birth and still had serious engine problems? Thanks BaroN

Excuse my language, but what a load of old cr@p, are you trying to tell everyone who has had an engine problem that they have no mechanical sympathy or something?

Let me tell you, after the second or third rebuild you DO become VER VERY VERY anal about temps, levels, any small noises etc, and when it goes in for a 1k service (yes 1,000 miles after a rebuild, all run in gently and to form) and the dealer says "this is the sweetest sounding Speed Six we have heard, you do NOT expect it to go bang 32 miles later.....and yes it did

So yes, I can confirm, that I checked everything and ran it in as per the letter from TVR (via Ben Samielson, a guide list from John Ravenscroft) and also warmed it up as per Johns letter, and it STILL went bang, so please, enough of the "it's all down to the drivers and the way they warm it up", as you may have guessed I find it very insulting!!!

There wass a fault with the engines, TVR stated the finger followers were not manufactured correctly, they claim it is sorted now, do you really think they would have swallowed all those rebuilds if they thought it was down to the owners?

Graham

[BaroN1]

Wow, I was only asking!

I have had my first TVR for 2 months!! I don't know this stuff, that's why I'm worried, that's why I'm here and that's why I ask.

Apologies if I offended anyone. As I stated, 'Without trying to sound patronising' and I'm trying not to.


Harv C

[MarkoTVR]

BaroN1 said:

Wow, I was only asking!

Don't take it to heart, mentioning 'S6' and 'problem' in the same paragraph will always sets blood boiling somewhere. Understandably so, in certain cases....some people have been very unlucky.

But, you've got yours now, so just enjoy it (and make prospective owners like me even more jealous)!! Set aside some money should the worst occur, which to be honest I think anyone with ANY performance vehicle should do regardless, and have some fun!! As the saying goes, "It might never happen"

Anything you can buy can be broken....