Ford paying motoring press extra money or not
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Hi i have been browsing the internet and majority of forums always seem to recommend a Ford over a Vauxhall, i mean the astra mk6 (we have one in family) sports tourer 2.0 CDTI Elite it's a nice car to drive isn't bland inside compared to previous astra and seems well put together and built, however most sites on internet recommend every ford model over every vauxhall model, so im thinking is it ford that pay the motoring press extra money and then every forum member looks on WHATCAR or whatever and then advises other members posting 'should i get an insignia or mondeo' get the mondeo miles better than the insignia, i dont get how at all that ford is of a higher quality than a vauxhall is
Please note i have made this thread to have a reasonable discussion and im genuinely interested in finding out about this so would only respectful members post and not members saying vauxhalls are s
t etc without reason thanks
Please note i have made this thread to have a reasonable discussion and im genuinely interested in finding out about this so would only respectful members post and not members saying vauxhalls are s
t etc without reason thanksNot sure if I'm feeding a troll - but here goes. As a past staff member of What Car?, I promise you that motoring journalists do not receive payments from manufacturers.No one there did, nor did anyone I ever came into contact with.
Certainly, WC? prided itself on its editorial impartiality. From my own experience of driving both makes over the years, it's generally true that, model for model, Fords are both more satisfying to drive but also better ownership prospects on most fronts. It's not so much that modern Vauxhalls are poor cars; more that Fords are just so much better. Huge generalisation, I know - but as a whole it holds true.
Certainly, WC? prided itself on its editorial impartiality. From my own experience of driving both makes over the years, it's generally true that, model for model, Fords are both more satisfying to drive but also better ownership prospects on most fronts. It's not so much that modern Vauxhalls are poor cars; more that Fords are just so much better. Huge generalisation, I know - but as a whole it holds true.
Not sure if I'm feeding a troll - but here goes. As a past staff member of What Car?, I promise you that motoring journalists do not receive payments from manufacturers.No one there did, nor did anyone I ever came into contact with.
Certainly, WC? prided itself on its editorial impartiality. From my own experience of driving both makes over the years, it's generally true that, model for model, Fords are both more satisfying to drive but also better ownership prospects on most fronts. It's not so much that modern Vauxhalls are poor cars; more that Fords are just so much better. Huge generalisation, I know - but as a whole it holds true.
Certainly, WC? prided itself on its editorial impartiality. From my own experience of driving both makes over the years, it's generally true that, model for model, Fords are both more satisfying to drive but also better ownership prospects on most fronts. It's not so much that modern Vauxhalls are poor cars; more that Fords are just so much better. Huge generalisation, I know - but as a whole it holds true.
i cant see how im trolling i own a rover none of the aformentioned makes, however i mean lets say a ford does handle than a vauxhall, however what about the rest of the car like plastics used in the interior e.g. general build quality of the vehicles i recently read a website from one member saying that vauxhalls are cheap and nasty whilst fords use nicer materials and so on.
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
i cant see how im trolling i own a rover none of the aformentioned makes, however i mean lets say a ford does handle than a vauxhall, however what about the rest of the car like plastics used in the interior e.g. general build quality of the vehicles i recently read a website from one member saying that vauxhalls are cheap and nasty whilst fords use nicer materials and so on.
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
i cant see how im trolling i own a rover none of the aformentioned makes, however i mean lets say a ford does handle than a vauxhall, however what about the rest of the car like plastics used in the interior e.g. general build quality of the vehicles i recently read a website from one member saying that vauxhalls are cheap and nasty whilst fords use nicer materials and so on.
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
also reliability on the MK3 Mondeo im sure the injectors on the TDCI are troublesome as my dad had an 03 Mondeo TDCI that had these go and he's not alone by sound of it and the 4 cylinder petrols go through piston rings now a lot of members seems to think they are the pinnacle of reliabilty, but whatabout for example laguna mk2 DCI which yes are quite unreliable but these cars get slated for it when the mondeo which yes has fewer problems gets recommended all the time in a car buying thread. Im basically asking owners of who have had both makes to comment on this rather than going straight to a motoring press site
IMO Ford got their act together with the Focus MK1, but then dropped the ball with the MK2 then improved again with the later ones. Once someone owns a car and likes the brand, its very difficult to break the "Ill get another (insert manufacturer here) as the last one was so good" mentality which is what the manufacturers want.
I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
I've had limited experience of both brands to be honest, only ever having one or the other as courtesy cars / pool cars with work for a few journeys.
Interior plastics aren't really something that gets me excited, personally so long as the buttons aren't made of chewing gum, who cares? I don't spend my time driving stroking the dashboard, it seems odd to me that the phrase 'interior plastics' comes up so much in conversations about cars
Family history is certainly one of Fords, but being a child passenger doesn't mean much!
My only lasting memories from driving either brand are:
Mk3 Mondeo had the most surprisingly brilliant seating position I'd ever experienced at the time.
Mk5 Astra had pedals set up perfectly for heel & toe.
Beyond that, they're all just 'some car'
Interior plastics aren't really something that gets me excited, personally so long as the buttons aren't made of chewing gum, who cares? I don't spend my time driving stroking the dashboard, it seems odd to me that the phrase 'interior plastics' comes up so much in conversations about cars
Family history is certainly one of Fords, but being a child passenger doesn't mean much!
My only lasting memories from driving either brand are:
Mk3 Mondeo had the most surprisingly brilliant seating position I'd ever experienced at the time.
Mk5 Astra had pedals set up perfectly for heel & toe.
Beyond that, they're all just 'some car'
With these feet said:
IMO Ford got their act together with the Focus MK1, but then dropped the ball with the MK2 then improved again with the later ones. Once someone owns a car and likes the brand, its very difficult to break the "Ill get another (insert manufacturer here) as the last one was so good" mentality which is what the manufacturers want.
I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
Is the engine related to Renault? I thought it was a GM-Fiat design.I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
glosaircool said:
Iv hired the 1.6 astra petrol twice now and the main gripe with it is its ridiculously tall gearing and it's massive lack of torque. It's not fun having to continously rev the nuts off a car to make progress. My wife's old Ford Ka feels sprightly in comparison.
This for me, been using Astra 1.6's and Focus' (or Foci??) for my 6hr hour work journies once a month and the Ford's have always had the better engines/gearing and been nicer places to sit. The Ford also takes longer to give me back ache, and usually has better equipment. Ford are superior to Vauxhall in my opinion, I have had Astra's and an Insignia as hire cars before and they were the dullest cars I have ever driven, to be honest, if I actually owned one, I think I would be taking anti-depressants to get over the depression that those cars cause when you are behind the wheel.
I personally think in Vauxhalls history, there has been 2 good cars, the Omega and the Manta (you could argue that the VX220 and Monaro/VXR8 should be in there but they were really just different cars just rebadged as Vauxhalls).
ETA: Actually, I think the Cavalier GSI was a good car of it's time aswell, it's a shame VX lost there way, there 80s/90s stuff wasn't too bad.
I personally think in Vauxhalls history, there has been 2 good cars, the Omega and the Manta (you could argue that the VX220 and Monaro/VXR8 should be in there but they were really just different cars just rebadged as Vauxhalls).
ETA: Actually, I think the Cavalier GSI was a good car of it's time aswell, it's a shame VX lost there way, there 80s/90s stuff wasn't too bad.
Edited by Marc p on Thursday 9th October 15:35
RobinBanks said:
With these feet said:
IMO Ford got their act together with the Focus MK1, but then dropped the ball with the MK2 then improved again with the later ones. Once someone owns a car and likes the brand, its very difficult to break the "Ill get another (insert manufacturer here) as the last one was so good" mentality which is what the manufacturers want.
I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
Is the engine related to Renault? I thought it was a GM-Fiat design.I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
unpc said:
RobinBanks said:
With these feet said:
IMO Ford got their act together with the Focus MK1, but then dropped the ball with the MK2 then improved again with the later ones. Once someone owns a car and likes the brand, its very difficult to break the "Ill get another (insert manufacturer here) as the last one was so good" mentality which is what the manufacturers want.
I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
Is the engine related to Renault? I thought it was a GM-Fiat design.I was out with a friend in his Insignia company car, very nice it was too, nice ride and well kitted out, but the underlying issue for me was their tie in with Renault. I will not buy another Renault nor car powered by their engines. Which kind of deletes the whole diesel range!
I had a Mk1 Focus which was possibly the most reliable and well built car Ive owned (2.0 Zetec ESP).That, after being handed through various family members, myself, the wife, sister in law / her partner over a period of years, seeing what minor faults it developed and how Ford honoured its corrosion warranty, I'd look at another in a heartbeat. At the moment Ive a friends Mk1 RS in the workshop and another has just bought an tidy ST170 as a daily which is making my autotrader fingers itch to go look at one!
Edited by HTP99 on Thursday 9th October 15:45
The current Insignia/Astra/Vivaro are the best cars they've made since the early 90's, compared to the competition. The 00's were frankly dire years for Vauxhall where every product they made seemed noticeably worse than the competition. Out of the two companies though, I'd always choose Ford. I drive like for like models between the two marques at work and would always reach for the Ford keys first. No matter how good Vauxhall have been, the Ford has always been better in my experience.
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