Discussion
First off my Saxo daily driver has done somewhere around 120k-150k miles (It's been clocked, so I don't know). In it's 12 year life it's had 11 previous owners and not much love. It burns a little oil and lets out a bit of smoke on start up but otherwise runs ok.
At work we have some bottles of Forte oil fortifier lying around, reading the bottle it seems like an easy cure:
Reduces oil consumption in engines showing signs of wear.
Reduces exhaust smoke due to an improved seal of the piston rings.
Increases the compression end pressures.
Increases the oil-pressure for a better protection of the moving parts.
Slows down engine wear and extends engine life .
Neutralises crankcase acids and reduces the resulting problems.
Restores the performance of lazy engines.
Has anyone got experiance of this stuff or know anything about it? Seems too good to be true.
At work we have some bottles of Forte oil fortifier lying around, reading the bottle it seems like an easy cure:
Reduces oil consumption in engines showing signs of wear.
Reduces exhaust smoke due to an improved seal of the piston rings.
Increases the compression end pressures.
Increases the oil-pressure for a better protection of the moving parts.
Slows down engine wear and extends engine life .
Neutralises crankcase acids and reduces the resulting problems.
Restores the performance of lazy engines.
Has anyone got experiance of this stuff or know anything about it? Seems too good to be true.
If it only smokes at startup and only burns a little oil aftr that mileage then sounds like its in fine fettle and so leave it alone!
Blending a modern oil is all about balance because every additive affects every other additive. If you throw a large percentage of something in then yes it may improve one area but it may throw something else totally out of balance.
Blending a modern oil is all about balance because every additive affects every other additive. If you throw a large percentage of something in then yes it may improve one area but it may throw something else totally out of balance.
Grayedout said:
If it only smokes at startup and only burns a little oil aftr that mileage then sounds like its in fine fettle and so leave it alone!
Blending a modern oil is all about balance because every additive affects every other additive. If you throw a large percentage of something in then yes it may improve one area but it may throw something else totally out of balance.
This is the sensible option.Blending a modern oil is all about balance because every additive affects every other additive. If you throw a large percentage of something in then yes it may improve one area but it may throw something else totally out of balance.
littleredrooster said:
You could perform a great public service by being our guinea pig. Buy it and try it. Let us know how you get on please!
This is kind of what I was trying to avoid but Saxo engines are pretty cheap so...
What I might do is a compression test as is, put the fortifier in and run it for a bit, then test compression again.
I'll post results.
P I Staker said:
Grayedout said:
To get technical it will probably be a combination of a viscoity index improver to thicken the oil and a surface active additive that will cling to every metal surface including oil galleries and filters !!!
You reckon it could cause long term issues then?He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Krikkit said:
Sounds like your Saxo needs the stem seals doing. Piss easy job, but only if you're doing the head gasket! 
You're probably right I just cant be bothered doing it. SV8Predator said:
P I Staker said:
Grayedout said:
To get technical it will probably be a combination of a viscoity index improver to thicken the oil and a surface active additive that will cling to every metal surface including oil galleries and filters !!!
You reckon it could cause long term issues then?He doesn't know what he's talking about.
SV8Predator said:
P I Staker said:
Grayedout said:
To get technical it will probably be a combination of a viscoity index improver to thicken the oil and a surface active additive that will cling to every metal surface including oil galleries and filters !!!
You reckon it could cause long term issues then?He doesn't know what he's talking about.
If you do take the plunge, the results of a before/after compression test would be interesting. You could also do the same with a fuel consumption test. As others have said, stuff like this is often snake oil with only customer testimony to back it up, so the inner nerd in me would like to see if there is any real world data to back up the claims.
My opinion:
There is no such things as a 'lazy' engine. If it's working properly it will be near factory figures. I think cars back when they run on carbs would loose power as they gradually lost tune over time/ usage. I don't mean they need a tweak every weekend/ month/ oil change, but personally I rebuilt and set my Astras carb at about 150k and it's still pretty spot on now at 225k. Injection engines tend to work properly or be almost unusable so people tend to fix them.
Your problem is almost certainly stem seals. Like any rubber seal subjected to heat cycles, age and oil it will wear away, harden and even move about. Gravity is letting oil seep down when the engine is stood still and it burns off when your start. It's not leaking 'up' from the rings. If the rungs/ bores were worn it'd smoke pretty much all the time, especially when 'pushing on'. So this magical elixir will do nothing.
However your Saxo is hardly a complicated, state of the art beast, so I don't think it'll do any harm if you do use these products.
Whipping head off, renewing seals and a general refresh should only take a day, even allowing for some stupid French over complicated setup that there's bound to be somewhere.
There is no such things as a 'lazy' engine. If it's working properly it will be near factory figures. I think cars back when they run on carbs would loose power as they gradually lost tune over time/ usage. I don't mean they need a tweak every weekend/ month/ oil change, but personally I rebuilt and set my Astras carb at about 150k and it's still pretty spot on now at 225k. Injection engines tend to work properly or be almost unusable so people tend to fix them.
Your problem is almost certainly stem seals. Like any rubber seal subjected to heat cycles, age and oil it will wear away, harden and even move about. Gravity is letting oil seep down when the engine is stood still and it burns off when your start. It's not leaking 'up' from the rings. If the rungs/ bores were worn it'd smoke pretty much all the time, especially when 'pushing on'. So this magical elixir will do nothing.
However your Saxo is hardly a complicated, state of the art beast, so I don't think it'll do any harm if you do use these products.
Whipping head off, renewing seals and a general refresh should only take a day, even allowing for some stupid French over complicated setup that there's bound to be somewhere.
DKS said:
My opinion:
There is no such things as a 'lazy' engine. If it's working properly it will be near factory figures. I think cars back when they run on carbs would loose power as they gradually lost tune over time/ usage. I don't mean they need a tweak every weekend/ month/ oil change, but personally I rebuilt and set my Astras carb at about 150k and it's still pretty spot on now at 225k. Injection engines tend to work properly or be almost unusable so people tend to fix them.
Your problem is almost certainly stem seals. Like any rubber seal subjected to heat cycles, age and oil it will wear away, harden and even move about. Gravity is letting oil seep down when the engine is stood still and it burns off when your start. It's not leaking 'up' from the rings. If the rungs/ bores were worn it'd smoke pretty much all the time, especially when 'pushing on'. So this magical elixir will do nothing.
However your Saxo is hardly a complicated, state of the art beast, so I don't think it'll do any harm if you do use these products.
Whipping head off, renewing seals and a general refresh should only take a day, even allowing for some stupid French over complicated setup that there's bound to be somewhere.
A very sensible comment.There is no such things as a 'lazy' engine. If it's working properly it will be near factory figures. I think cars back when they run on carbs would loose power as they gradually lost tune over time/ usage. I don't mean they need a tweak every weekend/ month/ oil change, but personally I rebuilt and set my Astras carb at about 150k and it's still pretty spot on now at 225k. Injection engines tend to work properly or be almost unusable so people tend to fix them.
Your problem is almost certainly stem seals. Like any rubber seal subjected to heat cycles, age and oil it will wear away, harden and even move about. Gravity is letting oil seep down when the engine is stood still and it burns off when your start. It's not leaking 'up' from the rings. If the rungs/ bores were worn it'd smoke pretty much all the time, especially when 'pushing on'. So this magical elixir will do nothing.
However your Saxo is hardly a complicated, state of the art beast, so I don't think it'll do any harm if you do use these products.
Whipping head off, renewing seals and a general refresh should only take a day, even allowing for some stupid French over complicated setup that there's bound to be somewhere.
I'll probably get the head off it at some point, depends when I can afford to cam it.
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