Help me understand/interpret my alignment
Help me understand/interpret my alignment
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DoubleSix

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12,557 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Perhaps some learned PHers can expand my understanding of alignment.

Chap handed me this and muttered about seized bolts but said he managed to get everything within tolerance - fine.

Can anyone talk me through the adjustments that have been made etc

Thanks!


Oldandslow

2,405 posts

236 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Don't see a before and that big red 0.9 would suggest something out of tolerance (thrust angle?)

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Top is the front, bottom is the rear.

On the front numbers top down are: Castor/camber/toe

The back doesn't have a castor number as it doesn't steer.

Looks like the rear total toe is slightly out of tolerance.

DoubleSix

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12,557 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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The before are the small numbers above the large ones apparently...

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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The toe is what you're interested in because it's probably the only adjustment on your car.

Negative numbers are toe out (Looking top down the front edge of the wheel will point out), positive are toe in. The manufacturer has a setting and a tolerance to be within.

There's a few videos on youtube which will give you a full explanation.

DoubleSix

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12,557 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Sorry, probably should have better worded my question. I understand what toe, camber and castor are, but i'm really interested in whether the adjustments have been made correctly and if they are 'appropriate' for my vehicle. I am led to believe the A4 has more than just toe adjustment.

Does the report indicate that they couldn't adjust the right rear and therefore my thrust angle is not perfect because of this?

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Have you just had new front track rod ends? They were way out and he's adjusted them fine. Guessing the rears are a bit still and couldn't quite do a full job.

DoubleSix

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Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Zoobeef said:
Have you just had new front track rod ends? They were way out and he's adjusted them fine. Guessing the rears are a bit still and couldn't quite do a full job.
No new rod ends, but the Mrs gad recently serverely kerbed the front nearside. They were well out weren't they...

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Autodata shows the front toe setting for your car to be: "mm:1,18 - 3,55"

I would be happy with what he's done.

ETA: Thrust angle appears to be fine (If it wasn't the steering wheel would be off centre), rear toe is slightly out but I don't think it'll cause you any issues.

DoubleSix

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206 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Nice one! I just wanted to ensure I'd got value for money and understood what I was looking at correctly.

Thanks very much.

Turkey

382 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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It looks like on the front, just the toe has been adjusted, and on the rear, just the camber.

The front toe was quite a bit out, as it has been changed by 2.2 degrees of toe (0.7 to 2.9), enough to make a fairly big difference to front wear patterns I would imagine. It looks to be good now (middle of the specified range/green bar).

However, the rear and front camber readings look very suspect - they are almost identical, front to rear, but almost exactly the same variation side to side, and not a nice round number like 0. The figures for camber are -1.07 & -0.53 front, and -1.07 & -0.52 rear, and the "before" readings on the rear were out of spec but totally different numbers (-2.03 and -1.14). I am wondering whether the garage measured the front twice to get the "after" adjustement figures, and told the computer one of the measurements was from the rear. This might have happened if there were stuck bolts they couldn't adjust, to make the computer give a printout that looks better.

If they have done this, it would throw out other parts of the data, but not front toe, which is the most likey cause for front tyre wear.

If you only had front tyre wear issues, the front toe correction might have cured this, but may have paid for some dodgy readings on the other paramaters, which might still be out of spec., but not necessarily enough to cause any poor driving characteristics.

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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I'll be honest I didn't analyse it quite as much as that.

Interesting about the comparisons front to rear... scratchchin

Turkey

382 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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P I Staker said:
I'll be honest I didn't analyse it quite as much as that.

Interesting about the comparisons front to rear... scratchchin
Fair enough, without your earlier post I wouldn't have been able to decipher the diagrams.

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Turkey said:
P I Staker said:
I'll be honest I didn't analyse it quite as much as that.

Interesting about the comparisons front to rear... scratchchin
Fair enough, without your earlier post I wouldn't have been able to decipher the diagrams.
I just took the numbers for what they where in which case they seem acceptable.

As you point out though comparing front to rear it seems a little 'odd'. Perhaps the rear adjustment bolts are seized.

If the car drives ok and the steering wheel is straight then I would just keep an eye on tyre wear pattern.

DoubleSix

Original Poster:

12,557 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Thing is I've just shelled out for 4 new tyres and had the alignment done to ensure wear is even.

Would you be going back and raising concerns?

DoubleSix

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12,557 posts

206 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Hi Turkey,

Thanks for your input so far. Would you be unsatisfied with the result as it stands?

Nigel_O

3,862 posts

249 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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the only value I can see that might still require some attention is the front camber - its twice as much on one side as it is on the other - I'm guessing it turns right a little more keenly than it turns left?

Having said that, with the toe settings as they were before, I bet the car feels much nicer to drive

DoubleSix

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206 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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So would I be a pedantic and annoying customer to go back to them and ask them to sort it?

Or have they done their job by getting all within tolerance?

P I Staker

3,308 posts

186 months

Wednesday 15th October 2014
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Nigel_O said:
the only value I can see that might still require some attention is the front camber - its twice as much on one side as it is on the other - I'm guessing it turns right a little more keenly than it turns left?
Isn't it showing there being 1 degree 7 minutes on the left side and 53 minutes on the right? In which case they're very similar.