Accident Stats
Discussion
On one of the Volvo threads it was mentioned, at the release of the new XC90...
"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
This is the first time I've seen a manufacturer release this kind of accident statistics for their vehicle. Is this info in the public domain and why to manufacturers such as Volvo not back a bigger play of it?
"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
This is the first time I've seen a manufacturer release this kind of accident statistics for their vehicle. Is this info in the public domain and why to manufacturers such as Volvo not back a bigger play of it?
Snollygoster said:
Because what happens if Volvo make a huge thing of it, then someone buys one for that reason then has an accident and dies. Doesn't look great.
To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
The complementary statistics for how many people had died while involved in an accident with an xc90 would be interesting. To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
CrutyRammers said:
They stated a couple of years back that their aim was that no-one would die inside a volvo ever again, by 2020 I think it was. I guess maybe they've gone through the historical numbers to see how they are doing
Indeed.The question is: how many of them die outside the car?
Snollygoster said:
Because what happens if Volvo make a huge thing of it, then someone buys one for that reason then has an accident and dies. Doesn't look great.
To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
+1. Hugely common statistical fallacy. People who are cautious buy things perceived to protect them, thus in general there will be a correlation between that thing and better safety. Even if the thing itself is useless.To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
trashbat said:
CrutyRammers said:
They stated a couple of years back that their aim was that no-one would die inside a volvo ever again, by 2020 I think it was. I guess maybe they've gone through the historical numbers to see how they are doing
Indeed.The question is: how many of them die outside the car?
paranoid airbag said:
Snollygoster said:
Because what happens if Volvo make a huge thing of it, then someone buys one for that reason then has an accident and dies. Doesn't look great.
To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
+1. Hugely common statistical fallacy. People who are cautious buy things perceived to protect them, thus in general there will be a correlation between that thing and better safety. Even if the thing itself is useless.To be honest, the demographic of people buying Volvo's probably stands it in good ground for that statistic.
So do we pity the poor folk in between these two demographics ;-)
Ha I like the fact that paranoid airbag is commenting on this thread
Finlandia said:
It's as stillborn an idea as the Swedish "nollvisionen" zero killed in road accidents in Sweden. There will always be deaths in cars and on the roads.
We've had this discussion before on here.Zero deaths is an entirely legitimate aim, even if you're not likely to literally achieve it. For what it's worth, the aviation industry manages it for long periods, and various other organisations (e.g. bits of the UK rail industry) have 'zero harm' targets.
What would you have them aim towards? 'By 2020, bit less death in a Volvo'?
Evo141n said:
On one of the Volvo threads it was mentioned, at the release of the new XC90...
"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
3 year old travelling in Volvo XC90 killed in head on crash"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
ralphrj said:
Evo141n said:
On one of the Volvo threads it was mentioned, at the release of the new XC90...
"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
3 year old travelling in Volvo XC90 killed in head on crash"an interesting point they made was that nobody has ever died in the current model XC90 in an accident"
trashbat said:
Finlandia said:
It's as stillborn an idea as the Swedish "nollvisionen" zero killed in road accidents in Sweden. There will always be deaths in cars and on the roads.
We've had this discussion before on here.Zero deaths is an entirely legitimate aim, even if you're not likely to literally achieve it. For what it's worth, the aviation industry manages it for long periods, and various other organisations (e.g. bits of the UK rail industry) have 'zero harm' targets.
What would you have them aim towards? 'By 2020, bit less death in a Volvo'?
I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
Finlandia said:
Aim for the impossible only leads to disappointment and/or blame, aim for something that can be achieved and you have a real goal, then when that goal has been reached you can set a new goal.
I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
So, to better illustrate an example I gave, between the 2009 Colgan Air crash in Buffalo (50 dead), and the 2013 Asiana crash at San Francisco (3 dead), nobody died in US commercial aviation accidents. There are around 30,000 such flights every day.I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
What should they have aimed for? Perhaps your goals are lazy!
trashbat said:
Finlandia said:
Aim for the impossible only leads to disappointment and/or blame, aim for something that can be achieved and you have a real goal, then when that goal has been reached you can set a new goal.
I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
So, to better illustrate an example I gave, between the 2009 Colgan Air crash in Buffalo (50 dead), and the 2013 Asiana crash at San Francisco (3 dead), nobody died in US commercial aviation accidents. There are around 30,000 such flights every day.I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
What should they have aimed for? Perhaps your goals are lazy!
Volvo promises that nobody will die or get seriously injured in one of their cars by 2020. Note, that they say nobody, and in their cars, so no deaths or serious injuries in any Volvo, old or new. Now go watch the video of the Renault making a mess of the 945.
Only way to come close to this aim is to scrap all old Volvos, and by old I mean a year or so old.
Finlandia said:
trashbat said:
Finlandia said:
It's as stillborn an idea as the Swedish "nollvisionen" zero killed in road accidents in Sweden. There will always be deaths in cars and on the roads.
We've had this discussion before on here.Zero deaths is an entirely legitimate aim, even if you're not likely to literally achieve it. For what it's worth, the aviation industry manages it for long periods, and various other organisations (e.g. bits of the UK rail industry) have 'zero harm' targets.
What would you have them aim towards? 'By 2020, bit less death in a Volvo'?
I would have them aim for 10% less deaths, that can be achieved, zero deaths will never be achieved.
Working in the construction industry the aim is not only for zero deaths but also zero harm. Driving on roads and working on construction sites, have inherent dangers but that does not mean we should not aim as high as we possible can in looking to prevent injury.
Finlandia said:
So the goal was not reached then, as presumably the goal was to have no deaths at all and not just between 2009 and 2013.
Volvo promises that nobody will die or get seriously injured in one of their cars by 2020. Note, that they say nobody, and in their cars, so no deaths or serious injuries in any Volvo, old or new. Now go watch the video of the Renault making a mess of the 945.
Only way to come close to this aim is to scrap all old Volvos, and by old I mean a year or so old.
For a start, they're aiming for it in their new cars.Volvo promises that nobody will die or get seriously injured in one of their cars by 2020. Note, that they say nobody, and in their cars, so no deaths or serious injuries in any Volvo, old or new. Now go watch the video of the Renault making a mess of the 945.
Only way to come close to this aim is to scrap all old Volvos, and by old I mean a year or so old.
http://www.industryweek.com/product-development/vo...
And if the aviation goal was 'no deaths ever again', you're right, they utterly failed. Shame on them. I don't know about you though, but I'd rather fly on an airline that's striving for 'no deaths ever again' and maybe failing over one that'd be institutionally content with only killing its customers every now and then.
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