Child seats in old (I mean OLD) cars
Discussion
How do you guys do it? Anyone carry their kids in something old enough to pre-date three point inertia reel seatbelts for instance? Do modern child seats still work if you are unable to pre-tension the belts?
I read the law has an exemption for vehicles not fitted with seatbelts, but what about lap belts, or even bucket seats with harnesses?
Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
I read the law has an exemption for vehicles not fitted with seatbelts, but what about lap belts, or even bucket seats with harnesses?
Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
Back in the 70's you could buy a fixing kit to secure car seats (in fact you had to - it was the only way you could secure them) I remember my parents fitting a Britax car seat into my mums fiat 126 for my little bro' - might be worth contacting Britax to see if they can still supply
I didnt have to worry about child seats in my morgan 4 seater - I had a static 3 point belts installed in the back, and because the straps of this fitted my little lad perfectly(he was 5 at the time) I reasoned that he didn't need a booster (which would have lifted him out of the regular rear bench)
I didnt have to worry about child seats in my morgan 4 seater - I had a static 3 point belts installed in the back, and because the straps of this fitted my little lad perfectly(he was 5 at the time) I reasoned that he didn't need a booster (which would have lifted him out of the regular rear bench)
Edited by sawman on Sunday 16th November 08:49
Our 1981 VW T25 only has lap belts in the rear. So, my 18 month old son sits up front with me. My five year old daughter uses a lap belt with booster seat in the rear. I cannot see another way around it to be fair.
Luckily it is not really a PH type car, so speed and risks are 'somewhat' reduced.
When I was a kid, I was loosely placed in a carry cot on the back seat of a Mini. Later, once my two sisters were born, we all used to roll around the back seat of an Austin Allegro estate - or sometimes in the boot if it was a short journey......
Mike
Luckily it is not really a PH type car, so speed and risks are 'somewhat' reduced.
When I was a kid, I was loosely placed in a carry cot on the back seat of a Mini. Later, once my two sisters were born, we all used to roll around the back seat of an Austin Allegro estate - or sometimes in the boot if it was a short journey......
Mike
LimaDelta said:
How do you guys do it? Anyone carry their kids in something old enough to pre-date three point inertia reel seatbelts for instance? Do modern child seats still work if you are unable to pre-tension the belts?
I read the law has an exemption for vehicles not fitted with seatbelts, but what about lap belts, or even bucket seats with harnesses?
Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
My '73 911 has only lap belt in the rear, but my 10year old loved riding there anyway. The first Mrs SS7 was subject to a conspiracy of silence.I read the law has an exemption for vehicles not fitted with seatbelts, but what about lap belts, or even bucket seats with harnesses?
Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
If you're trying to get belts into a classic have you talked to the experts? http://www.quickfitsbs.com
SS7
In the old days child seats were often semi permanently installed,
The lower straps had plates which bolted to the rear seatbelt mounts ( which were a requirement for a long time before actually fitting the belts was) and the top straps bolted to the rear shelf (saloon) or to the boot floor / a strut brace type affair in hatches and estates ....
It was pretty much as you'd fit a race harness - as before booster seats with 3 point belts the stage between baby seat and adult belt / un-restrained was covered by what were basically miniature race harnesses
I don;t know if you can still get the 'generations' rear belt with it;s adjustable shoulder height - i've only seen them on Ambulance seats in the past decade ... ( had to point that out when a panci email went round about the last change in children and setbelts law came in - pointing out that of the three seats in the back of the ambulances at least one if not 2 had height adjustable shoulder sraps that negated the need for booster seats.
The lower straps had plates which bolted to the rear seatbelt mounts ( which were a requirement for a long time before actually fitting the belts was) and the top straps bolted to the rear shelf (saloon) or to the boot floor / a strut brace type affair in hatches and estates ....
It was pretty much as you'd fit a race harness - as before booster seats with 3 point belts the stage between baby seat and adult belt / un-restrained was covered by what were basically miniature race harnesses
I don;t know if you can still get the 'generations' rear belt with it;s adjustable shoulder height - i've only seen them on Ambulance seats in the past decade ... ( had to point that out when a panci email went round about the last change in children and setbelts law came in - pointing out that of the three seats in the back of the ambulances at least one if not 2 had height adjustable shoulder sraps that negated the need for booster seats.
LimaDelta said:
I read the law has an exemption for vehicles not fitted with seatbelts, but what about lap belts, or even bucket seats with harnesses?
Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
You're not actually allowed to carry a child under the age of 3 without a seatbelt, and if they're older then they have to go in the back:Dads of PH, what is the most non child-friendly vehicle you use with your kids on a regular basis?
https://www.gov.uk/seat-belts-law/if-your-vehicle-...
1984 Mini - has no rear belts, but does have inertia front belts, so no problem.
No seat belts would not worry me greatly: I'm of the generation who grew up without them, and we were fine. Most people would do better to improve the standard of the their observation and anticipation as drivers rather than worrying about the latest safety systems. Having your child thoroughly isofixed and airbagged whilst driving badly and texting seems a bit contradictory to me.
N Dentressangle said:
No seat belts would not worry me greatly: I'm of the generation who grew up without them, and we were fine. Most people would do better to improve the standard of the their observation and anticipation as drivers rather than worrying about the latest safety systems. Having your child thoroughly isofixed and airbagged whilst driving badly and texting seems a bit contradictory to me.
Not wishing to sound like im having a dig because im not but..Good observation and anticipation make you less likely to hit things - they don't stop mrs upwardly-mobile in her Q7 changing lanes mid-text and parking 3 tonnes of german tat on your bonnet.
Id find a way to fit proper belts to the car - because its possible and thus not doing it is an unnecessary risk.
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