How far we have come.
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Hasbeen

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2,073 posts

251 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Tonight I watched a session on the assembly of a Rolls Royce jumbo jet engine. It made me think of how far we have come, & how complex we have become in the last 60 years.

I flew jets in the 60s, & they were complex enough, but these new things are a different world.

If you put all the parts of a Roles Royce Merlin in a box, I would have no difficulty in assembling a working engine. Great as they were, they are just a piston engine. However although I did see those 1960s jet engines worked on, I would not have the first idea of what most of the components were in a modern jet.

I couldn't help wondering if there are people who could build a modern jet engine, from a box of parts, or are various bits of the things so specialised that few actually understand the whole thing.

When my mother was born, there had never been a heavier than air aircraft in Australia. From there to here, in one & a half lifetimes is really amazing.

thatdude

2,660 posts

157 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Ive had the same thoughts about aircraft engines; jet engines have so much pipework that i cant figur out what it could all be for. Its similar on modern cars, lots of pipes everywhere (i suspect its a lot of breather stuff)

Its quite incredible the ingenuity of the human race to make incremental advancements that over the decades amount to a system which is essentially the same as something 50 years before it but is oh so different

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

193 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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With jet engines complexity is not realy the issue. They are actually quite simple, far simpler than a piston engine. The issue with building them is tolerances and the like. When piston engines are not put togther quight right they run rough, not very clean or have difficulty starting. Jet engines tend to not work at all or blow up.

The real complexity in jet engines is making the parts however. Given a box and the right tools many people could put one togther (ignoring the fact that they are often bloody big). However when the blades from a modern RR engine are made they are a single crystal of metal of exactly the right alloy with incredible small diffrences between each cast. Every part is checked for microscopic faults, and put togther to exacting standards as a one off, not just passed through a production line with one in a hundred (or whatever) checked by QC.

With piston engines you are used to them and understand them. With a jet engine you don't see them all the time so are starting from a much lower knowledge base.

Edited by SteveSteveson on Sunday 16th November 10:09

Coatesy351

891 posts

162 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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I think the years following the second world war saw the fastest development.

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23 years to go from 437mph to 2275mph

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Coatesy351 said:
I think the years following the second world war saw the fastest development.

From this



To this



23 years to go from 437mph to 2275mph
Very well put.

RobinBanks

17,551 posts

209 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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I'd agree. The 1950s and 1960s had the most investment as a result of the Cold War. We also happened to learn a lot to do with production and engineering as a result of producing so many aeroplanes for the Second World War.

danjama

5,728 posts

172 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Great thread, right at the heart of my interests smile

Hope to find time to give input later smile

Catatafish

1,529 posts

175 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Coatesy351 said:
I think the years following the second world war saw the fastest development.

From this



To this



23 years to go from 437mph to 2275mph
It didn't stop at the SR71 for speed, what about the space program and missile technology.

HD Adam

5,155 posts

214 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Coatesy351 said:
I think the years following the second world war saw the fastest development.

From this



To this



23 years to go from 437mph to 2275mph
And a similar time frame from this



to this