Transverse mid-engined cars
Transverse mid-engined cars
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Ozzie Osmond

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21,189 posts

276 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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A thought occurs to me....

"Has any manufacturer ever managed to create a transverse mid-engine car which has really caught the attention of the market?"

I know there have been some good ones (NSX, MR2) but I mean really successful in the market-place.

balls-out

3,794 posts

261 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Lamborghini Miura attracted some attention..


in terms of volume success - mid-engined aren't really big sellers.

Edited by balls-out on Tuesday 18th November 09:44

LotusOmega375D

9,388 posts

183 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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All the entry-evel Ferraris from Dino to 328

Evora

How about the tiddlers like X1/9?


balls-out

3,794 posts

261 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Does a Smart count or is that rear engined?

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I think you must define "really successful", if the MR2 is not there for you.

No mid engined car can ever sell in numbers similar to those of run of the mill front engined ones for the very simple reason that by definition a middie's engine location makes it impractical as it practically rules out having rear seats.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Ferrari 328, MGF, Elise/VX220, Exige, Evora (I may be clutching at straws and just naming cars) - 'success' is all relative I suppose.

Cizeta V16T, they sold about 20.

furtive

4,503 posts

309 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Elise/Exige/VX220/Evora/etc

MintSprint

335 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Ozzie Osmond said:
I know there have been some good ones (NSX, MR2) but I mean really successful in the market-place.
It doesn't get much more successful in the market place than the MR2, in sports car terms.

RobinBanks

17,551 posts

209 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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MintSprint said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
I know there have been some good ones (NSX, MR2) but I mean really successful in the market-place.
It doesn't get much more successful in the market place than the MR2, in sports car terms.
I agree. Also the MG F and TF did quite well in Britain. I'm pretty sure that they had a transverse engine.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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If the MR2 wasn't a sales success, I'm a banana.

phil4

1,650 posts

268 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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As has been said about, I agree, if you don't define the MR2 as successful, then chances are nothing ever will be.

It's as said, popping the engine just in front of the rear axle makes it almost impossible to put in rear seats and luggage space. The rear seats being the killer for super mass market appeal.

I say almost impossible, because of course you could do it... it's be a like a stretch MR2 (think 911 to Panemera)... which would probably also negate many of the benefits of going mid-engined. Do that and you have no USP, so why bother.


kiseca

9,339 posts

249 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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308 and 328 were huge successes for Ferrari. Much better received than the longitudinal engined 348 that replaced them. Mondial (pre -T version) didn't do too badly either.

Lamborghini weren't quite as successful with their Urraco / Silhouette / Jalpa family.


MintSprint

335 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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phil4 said:
I say almost impossible, because of course you could do it... it'd be a like a stretch MR2
Or a Ferrari 308 GT4. Or a Lamborghini Urraco. Or a Lotus Evora, perhaps. wink

kambites

71,563 posts

251 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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RobinBanks said:
I agree. Also the MG F and TF did quite well in Britain. I'm pretty sure that they had a transverse engine.
Wasn't the MGF the best selling sports car in the UK for every year of its production?

I rather suspect that in total many more transverse mid-engined cars have been sold than longitudinal mid-engined ones (unless you allow the definition of "mid engined" to include cars with the engine in front of the passenger cell). In fact I wouldn't be that surprised to learn that more MR2s have been sold than all longitudinal rear-mid-engined cars combined?

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 18th November 10:41

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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kambites said:
I rather suspect that in total many more transverse mid-engined cars have been sold than longitudinal mid-engined ones (unless you allow the definition of "mid engined" to include cars with the engine in front of the passenger cell). In fact I wouldn't be that surprised to learn that more MR2s have been sold than all longitudinal rear-mid-engined cars combined?
With that sort of statement I had to check it out - global sales of MR2s (if the MR2 wiki is to be believed) is in the region of 292,000.

I'm not adding up all other manufacturers, but Ferrari apparently sold about 17,000 360s worldwide, and it's estimated that all (front- and mid-engined type approved) Ferraris sold is in the region of 130,000.

Europa1

10,923 posts

218 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I'd say the original Lotus Elise really caught the attention of the market.

MJK 24

5,679 posts

266 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Europa1 said:
I'd say the original Lotus Elise really caught the attention of the market.
Yes. Initial predictions were a total run of 1,000 vehicles. Current total stands at near 30,000.

Fiat X19, MR2, Ferrari 308, Pontiac Fiero must all also be considered a success?

Ozzie Osmond

Original Poster:

21,189 posts

276 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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996TT02 said:
I think you must define "really successful", if the MR2 is not there for you.
MR2 seemed to me the most successful of them in terms of sales - sadly now discontinued.
Elise worth an honourable mention for sure.
MGF - oh dear
Pontiac Fiero shifted a reasonable number. (I think the only significant mid engine from USA)

It seems to me that when buyers go mid-engined they generally want a full-blown exotic layout rather than the front of a hatchback stuck under the back of their sportscar.

Ozzie Osmond

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21,189 posts

276 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Hmmm, I guess the short-lived Lancia Beta Montecarlo was another transverse which didn't catch on.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

165 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Ozzie Osmond said:
It seems to me that when buyers go mid-engined they generally want a full-blown exotic layout rather than the front of a hatchback stuck under the back of their sportscar.
Er... that's exactly what the X1/9 and MR2 were. (Fiat 128 and Toyota Corolla.)

They were HUGELY successful compared to any longitudinal mid-engined cars. I think you've got the wrong end of this particular stick.