Fuel leak and motorway closures
Fuel leak and motorway closures
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Marcellus

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7,204 posts

249 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Having listened all day to reports of the M1 being closed because of an accident in the early hours and of it being closured through until at least 22:00 when they can resurface after a fuel leak i can't help but wonder why.

Why does a fuel leak mean the road needs to be resurfaced?

Why does it take all day and evening for it to be done?

Can anyone enlighten me?

jimbobsimmonds

1,824 posts

195 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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I could be wrong but diesel tends to turn tarmac into a glupey-soft state. Almost like it hasn't set.

Swanny87

1,265 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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I believe once diesel has the time to leach into the cracks between the stones in the tarmac it can never be fully soaked up. Even if it looks like it is dry, once the next rain comes the diesel leaks out again. And well, you end up with diesel + wet road. I don't need to paint you a picture as to what would happen in those conditions.

It was on that BBC motorway doc recently...

mph999

2,772 posts

250 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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I've also heard that if it soaks through it can get washed out to the surface it rains, turning the road into an ice rink

Marcellus

Original Poster:

7,204 posts

249 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Ok i ca go with that so the next part why does it take so long to get it done, is it purely the logistics of getting a crew there to do it?

And if this is the case why don't we (UK Plc) have rapid reactions teams strategically placed.... One wou,d iphave thought shutting the M1 in the Midlands all day cant be sensible!

Swanny87

1,265 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Marcellus said:
Ok i ca go with that so the next part why does it take so long to get it done, is it purely the logistics of getting a crew there to do it?
Bingo. We all know how long it takes to hire someone to do the most simple thing in this country. The endless red tape...

Swanny87

1,265 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Marcellus said:
And if this is the case why don't we (UK Plc) have rapid reactions teams strategically placed.... One wou,d iphave thought shutting the M1 in the Midlands all day cant be sensible!
Cost vs Risk based analysis. How often does this type of accident happen on a major route such as the M1? Not that often to warrant paying multiple standby teams of tarmaccers...

Jonny_

4,709 posts

237 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Petrol dissolves the bitumen that binds the stones of a Tarmac road together.

Having worked on petrol cars on a Tarmac drive, I can state this with certainty!

If a large amount is spilled on a small area (say a ruptured fuel tank following a crash) I imagine you could end up with a few square feet of carriageway that is severely weakened, will turn into a pothole in no time and damage tyres, wheels, suspension etc or even cause another crash.

Don't know if diesel also "eats" the surface or not, but as it's horrible slippery stuff that floats on water, as mentioned above you wouldn't want to risk driving on it, especially in rain.

Swanny87

1,265 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Anyway, I feel sorry for anyone who was heading/is planning to head up the M1 today!!

pinchmeimdreamin

10,898 posts

248 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Swanny87 said:
Cost vs Risk based analysis. How often does this type of accident happen on a major route such as the M1? Not that often to warrant paying multiple standby teams of tarmaccers...
There has to be a few nice men around with a white van and a dawg surely..

Swanny87

1,265 posts

149 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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pinchmeimdreamin said:
Swanny87 said:
Cost vs Risk based analysis. How often does this type of accident happen on a major route such as the M1? Not that often to warrant paying multiple standby teams of tarmaccers...
There has to be a few nice men around with a white van and a dawg surely..
Probably all stuck on the M1 ask we speak!

"Do ya wanna boy me maaaas caraven??", "What, proppa facked?"

HTP99

25,329 posts

170 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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As for the time scales involved with re-laying a portion of motorway; I can't imagine that the stripping of what is already there and then the re-laying and setting of the replacement road is a quick affair and I would imagine that in order to minimise delays it is all done as quickly as possible.

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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And each layer has to set before the next layer can be laid down.

littleredrooster

6,405 posts

226 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Local news reported that 200+ tons of Tarmac were required for the extensive resurfacing after an RTC involving a ruptured fuel tank and a jackknifed artic. I wouldn't like to be the insurance company of that HGV!

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Jonny_ said:
Don't know if diesel also "eats" the surface or not
It is better than petrol and it is used to remove tarmac from the rear doors of asphalt lorries and to dissolve tarmac which is stuck inside the bodies!

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Shows just how useful the "50 Mph" speed limits are on that stretch.....


We should have some large ramps kept, ready, and instead of closing the motorway we could just do this:




for a few hrs, then they could fix it overnight rather than during the day!

s55shh

523 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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It will only be plane and lay the 40mm surface course. However, as all of the planers and paving gangs are busy elsewhere they have probably struggled to resource it. Getting materials was almost impossible yesterday too.

littleredrooster

6,405 posts

226 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Max_Torque said:
Shows just how useful the "50 Mph" speed limits are on that stretch.....
Not sure how relevant that would be...2am on a deserted motorway, and a wagon would be governed to 56 anyhoo?

skip_1

3,514 posts

220 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Also requires local plant to produce the required grade of asphalt, which is usually done at set times.

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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20 tonnes of wearing course wouldnt be a problem. Planing would be, though.