Urban mpg
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Bigbox

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658 posts

241 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Ok so when looking at the fuel economy of a potential new buy i normally review Urban, Extra Urban (m'way?) and Average as per the AT website. I am fully aware that the mpg quote is based on ideal conditions but what is the point of car companies quoting ideal conditions when practically no one is able to drive under ideal conditions. Does anyone know what the acceptable tolerance is... maybe actual mpg being perhaps 20% below??

From my point of view, so far, having owned several cars i can't remember one that ever achieved the 'Urban' quoted mpg.

For example, my current car, a low mileage Mini Cooper S is quoted as 38.7 urban. On a 50 mile drive including motorway cruising for 50% of the time, i may get close to 38 if i drive carefully. Urban to me implies stop start driving from home maybe into the town centre. I live several miles away from the town centre and if i make this journey i tend to get 30mpg or less.

Questions is, on an 'urban' journey, do people generally achieve anywhere close to the quoted urban mpg?

TurboHatchback

4,238 posts

183 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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There are many different types of urban driving. Driving around a town late at night with no traffic gets me much better mpg than sitting in a jam and occasionally moving 3 feet. I always average more than the combined figure for every car I've owned so yes, in general my 'urban' mpg meets or betters the stated figure.

If you are constantly in heavy traffic then I doubt you'll meet it but otherwise maybe looking at your driving style or the health of your car might be a good plan.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Bigbox said:
Ok so when looking at the fuel economy of a potential new buy i normally review Urban, Extra Urban (m'way?) and Average as per the AT website. I am fully aware that the mpg quote is based on ideal conditions but what is the point of car companies quoting ideal conditions when practically no one is able to drive under ideal conditions. Does anyone know what the acceptable tolerance is... maybe actual mpg being perhaps 20% below??
You're mistaken in thinking it's "ideal" conditions - the test is done in "consistent" conditions, i.e. always the same and therefore (in theory) comparable.

Pixelpeep7r

9,040 posts

172 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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i think it depends wildly on how practical it is to drive in the manner you need to in order to replicate manufacturer figures.

VW give the Golf R 31mpg urban and having done 2000 miles in it it's looking more like the realistic combined figure now (quoted as 40.1)

I can get 'near' quoted figures by nursing the car, focusing 100% on saving fuel, in ECO mode (which disengages the engine whilst coasting along with other stuff) but it's hard work and I'm finding the discipline of not booting it every now and then almost impossible.

As soon as you give the throttle any kind of enthusiastic pressure the MPG plummets.

1hr of focused ECO driving can be wiped out within 20 seconds of hooliganess.

Hey ho.

thelawnet

1,539 posts

185 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Depends how good the manufacturers are at fiddling the numbers.

At the moment am getting 19.6 on a 7 mile 'urban' journey (no motorways or dual carriageways, several sets of traffic lights and some twisty roads). It's rated as 17.1mpg urban. It is an auto V8 and the revs hover around 1100rpm pretty much, so I guess a manual car perhaps depends more on driving style.

Of course I am stuck with £500/year VED for the privilege.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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My "Urban" driving consists of 0.5 - 1 mile of sitting in a traffic jam in Oxford, which can take from 10 mins to an hour to get through, so I guess my urban MPG is way off. What I'm trying to say is, you can't test for the real world.

E65Ross

36,729 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Everyone's real world conditions are different.

The official combined figure for my car is 25, I'm currently averaging 26mpg.

xxChrisxx

538 posts

151 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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It's not the car companies, and it's not 'ideal' conditions. It's a prescribed benchmark, and the figures from it are the only ones that the manufacturers are allowed to use.

As absolutely everything is than based on the CO2 figure that comes out at the end, VED, BIK buying habits, etc. Manufacturers have no choice but to design specifically to do well on the cycle.

nitrodave

1,262 posts

168 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I have an e46 325ci which I bash about in daily and autotrader says urban 20.9mpg and I get 22.6mpg pure town driving.

However extra urban autotrader says 39.2mpg and I struggle to get it above 34mpg on a steady motorway run.

emicen

9,243 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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nitrodave said:
I have an e46 325ci...

...I struggle to get it above 34mpg on a steady motorway run.
Impossible!!!

Dont you know every other person on here has a 330i/530i that will do 40 on a run?!

[PH BS MPG claims aside, sounds about right. My E46 325i saloon did about the same in both conditions, nursing it could get a little better on long runs]

cocopop

1,300 posts

235 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I've never found any 'official' figures, but the various forums list 17 US mpg for urban driving, and 23 for combined. 25 for extra-urban.

laugh yeah right!

nitrodave

1,262 posts

168 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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emicen said:
Impossible!!!

Dont you know every other person on here has a 330i/530i that will do 40 on a run?!

[PH BS MPG claims aside, sounds about right. My E46 325i saloon did about the same in both conditions, nursing it could get a little better on long runs]
wink it must be that extra half litre and bags of extra torque

xxChrisxx

538 posts

151 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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emicen said:
Impossible!!!

Dont you know every other person on here has a 330i/530i that will do 40 on a run?!

[PH BS MPG claims aside, sounds about right. My E46 325i saloon did about the same in both conditions, nursing it could get a little better on long runs]
If memory serves, they used the same ratios but a longer final drive for the 5speed 330i. It actually meant it was slightly more suited to a motorway cruise.