How easy do we have it now?
How easy do we have it now?
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vanordinaire

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3,701 posts

192 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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I was clearing out a lock up and found a 1974 copy of Practical Motoring and have just spent two fantastic hours reading it from cover to cover (much amusement from an article extoling the virtues of the new Austin Allegro). What particularly struck me was the expectation that 'ordinary' motorists would be spending their weekends renewing head gaskets, regrinding valves, welding and repairing rusty chassis and sub-frames and much, much more. I know that we are all Pistonheads and many of us regularly do stuff like this but I'd forgotten how much maintenance and repairs were part of the average motorist's lot. Thinking back to the 60's and 70's , I remember my Dad and half of the other men in the street spending their weekends trying to get the family banger to last till the next weekend. Was it that the cars back then were cr~p, or was it about a lack of money, or was there a different type of average motorist back then to whom car ownership wasn't just about getting from A to B ?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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Less disposable income, a much stronger DIY/"make-do-and-mend" mentality than today's consumerist-disposability, and cars were much more DIY-able. No need for a diagnostic computer to change brake pads or a vac sucker to change oil...

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

189 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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60's-70's British unionised manufacturing techniques thankfully died.

The Japanese rucked up and showed us that you can make a car start in winter - and it doesn't need to be a horrid place to be.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
Less disposable income, a much stronger DIY/"make-do-and-mend" mentality than today's consumerist-disposability, and cars were much more DIY-able. No need for a diagnostic computer to change brake pads or a vac sucker to change oil...
That and cars were st.

backwoodsman

2,508 posts

159 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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I currently have a 68 year old car repair book for sale.

It covers such things as...

Rebuilding a magneto.

How to repair, your wooden chassis.

How to put new friction material on your brake shoes.


Now that is complicated stuff.

We have it very easy.

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

238 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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We do have it very easy these days, and I'm fairly certain that people are worse drivers as a result.

Carrying out basic maintenance gave me at least some knowledge of how the mechanical parts of a car worked and as a result I still drive in a mechanically sympathetic manner. Starting out my driving career in an unreliable old shed with crap brakes and shonky suspension gave me an appreciation of how to look well ahead and plan my way down the road, rather than just reacting like Pavlov's dog to whatever is immediately in front of my bonnet.

Modern cars are brilliant in comparison but they've made us all a bit complacent and soft in my opinion. [/four Yorkshiremen]

sebhaque

6,535 posts

211 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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We do have it easy these days but I think that's a fault of both consumer and manufacturer. As an example, my 370Z decided to stop working today. Googled the issue and apparently it's a throttle sensor. The only way to fix it is either by plugging a laptop in and doing some magic, or by replacing the sensor (since the car's DBW). In olden times, I would have just opened the bonnet and tightened the throttle cable. Now I have to lose the car for a week while it sits in a garage so someone can reset a code or whatever and charge me for the privilege (lesson learnt, OBDII reader on order).

The reliance on the computer/MOT man/etc has also meant that basic checks like oil, filters, tyre pressures and screenwash are now alien to most. I think I posted in the "stupid things non-PHers say" about a driver who had no idea how to perform any basic maintenance at all.

DUMBO100

1,878 posts

214 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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With car leasing increasing in popularity I wonder how long there will be a DIY mechanic? The leasing companies would rather give you a new car than have you stop paying your £350 a month

eldar

25,300 posts

226 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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backwoodsman said:
I currently have a 68 year old car repair book for sale.

It covers such things as...

Rebuilding a magneto.

How to repair, your wooden chassis.

How to put new friction material on your brake shoes.


Now that is complicated stuff.

We have it very easy.
I've got an older onesmile Includes some wonderful stuff - how to make bearings fit with engineering blue and bearing scrapers, including how to make the scraper from an old file, a forge, anvil and hammer.

micky metro

307 posts

216 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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When i started driving in the 70,s, you woul see many car bonnets up at weekends and most drivers had toolboxes with plugs, points, condensers etc.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

242 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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Troubleatmill said:
60's-70's British unionised manufacturing techniques thankfully died.

The Japanese rucked up and showed us that you can make a car start in winter - and it doesn't need to be a horrid place to be.
Strange- I had a MAXI in the late 70's and I never had problems starting. Plenty of stories of cars not starting, but mine started first turn ,even when I had to dig it out to get in. Possibly down to electronic ignition ( care of practical electronics ) , decent protection of the electrics and a yearly check on the solenoid drop. Those days, it was worth while checking the drop across the solenoid contacts ,and if anywhere near .5v ,the solenoid could be stripped and the contacts cleaned.

Hainey

4,381 posts

230 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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I remember my father attending to the family Morris Marina on a weekly basis in the late 70's, it was just something that you had to do. I also remember neighbours with Japanese cars also having reliability issues, so I'm not altogether sold on this fashionable story of Japanese cars in the 70's being wonders of reliability, hence gaining them a foothold.

I think they gained a foothold as they were cheap, and the reliability came later in the 80's, as they actually re-invested in their product to make it far better than the British one.

I know we love to blame the Unions for the demise of the British car industry, and Lord knows, they deserve the blame, but we often overlook the very greedy, entitled, utterly incompetent upper management that matched them side by side all the way into failure.

csd19

2,344 posts

147 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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sebhaque said:
basic checks like oil, filters, tyre pressures and screenwash are now alien to most.
In the three years we've lived in our current house, I've never seen any of my neighbours out with a tyre pressure gauge or even topping up their screenwash, nevermind checking the engine fluids. Plenty of pressure washing but the bonnets always stay shut???

I guess they just leave that to the annual service instead...

paranha

633 posts

272 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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1961 New 850 Austin Mini, followed by-Cooper "S"-Triumph Vitesse-x 2-Lotus Elan-1971 and BMW 2800---Astra GTEs -All Reliable.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,160 posts

180 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Hainey said:
I remember my father attending to the family Morris Marina on a weekly basis in the late 70's, it was just something that you had to do. I also remember neighbours with Japanese cars also having reliability issues, so I'm not altogether sold on this fashionable story of Japanese cars in the 70's being wonders of reliability, hence gaining them a foothold.

I think they gained a foothold as they were cheap, and the reliability came later in the 80's, as they actually re-invested in their product to make it far better than the British one.

I know we love to blame the Unions for the demise of the British car industry, and Lord knows, they deserve the blame, but we often overlook the very greedy, entitled, utterly incompetent upper management that matched them side by side all the way into failure.
I think you're wrong. It was a revelation to Austin / Morris /Triumph / Rover / Jaguar drivers in the 70s when Datsuns arrived. The revelation that it was possible to put the key in the ignition without having your fingers crossed. Cars that were constantly reliable, in all weathers.

We'd already seen it happen with bikes.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

212 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
We'd already seen it happen with bikes.
Exactly right

55palfers

6,384 posts

194 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Early '70's and a lot of Jap cars came with radios (and other shiny bits and pieces) as standard whilst they were an "extra" on BL/Ford/Vauxhall, etc.

They rusted as quickly as UK cars and I recall having a few of Austin's finest that just kept on working if serviced every 6K


Hainey

4,381 posts

230 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Hainey said:
I remember my father attending to the family Morris Marina on a weekly basis in the late 70's, it was just something that you had to do. I also remember neighbours with Japanese cars also having reliability issues, so I'm not altogether sold on this fashionable story of Japanese cars in the 70's being wonders of reliability, hence gaining them a foothold.

I think they gained a foothold as they were cheap, and the reliability came later in the 80's, as they actually re-invested in their product to make it far better than the British one.

I know we love to blame the Unions for the demise of the British car industry, and Lord knows, they deserve the blame, but we often overlook the very greedy, entitled, utterly incompetent upper management that matched them side by side all the way into failure.
I think you're wrong. It was a revelation to Austin / Morris /Triumph / Rover / Jaguar drivers in the 70s when Datsuns arrived. The revelation that it was possible to put the key in the ignition without having your fingers crossed. Cars that were constantly reliable, in all weathers.

We'd already seen it happen with bikes.
Fair play if you remember it differently, I just remember our neighbours either side had Japanese cars, and neither were faultless by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I remember the winter of '78, memorable as I spent a lot of time in hospital that year, standing in the snow, helping my dad rig jump cables to start one of theirs that wouldn't run as he squirted a can of easy start down the intake. I also remember my dad welding one of them for the MOT.

I agree in the 80's though they simply blew the home grown product into the dirt in terms of reliability. My father had a Triumph Acclaim, which was pure Honda underneath the badge, and it was faultless all the time he had it. Pretty zippy as well IIRC. Latterly, I used to work with a bloke in the 90's who was using his dad's cast off Bluebird as a work hack. It just wouldn't die, and was well north of 200k at the time. Reliability like that achieved with old, pre canbus tech you just can't question.

bazza white

3,761 posts

158 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Fixing my old mk1 or mk2 I could do with 3ish spanners and you would know exactly what the problem was. I've just spent the weekend trying to fix my mk4 golf. Full tool kit and laptop required and its still not fixed the problem.

When a new car works its great but when they go wrong they are a headache.





Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

180 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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I remember any puff of blue smoke from a car was most likely piston rings, When was last time anyone changed worn piston rings?!

I went to college in '97- '99 and learnt such things as carburetors and rebuilding components.. didn't even discuss OBD ports of any discription.