RE: Motorsport on Monday: 1/12/14
RE: Motorsport on Monday: 1/12/14
Monday 1st December 2014

Motorsport on Monday: 1/12/14

Porsche bags first WEC win in comeback season, Tom Kristensen tribute



Remember that line from The Matrix, "That is the sound of inevitability"? Now we know those muted decibels comes from a 2.0-litre turbocharged V4.

The Porsche 919 Hybrid took its first WEC victory last weekend at the 6 hours of Sao Paolo in Porsche's comeback season. But it was inevitable that the most successful marque in endurance racing would pick up a win in its first year back in the big time, wasn't it?

What took you so long Porsche?
What took you so long Porsche?
The car's not been without its reliability problems so far, but Porsche evoked the spirit of the 956, pounding round relentlessly like it was Group C in the 80s.

It also proved the doubters wrong. Porsche showed last weekend that despite its road car business growing to incorporate a brace of school-gate-clogging SUVs, it hasn't diluted its focus and motorsport success is still an inevitability.

The weekend started well, too, after Webber lowered the #20 car's four-lap average further still following a mega effort from Timo Bernhard. Webber actually said following his first stint in qualifying that he thought he was in one of Adrian Newey's cars, that he "was driving way over the top; I was expecting way too much from the car."

His next stint was more measured, lowering the average to a 1 min 17.676 - a tenth faster than the sister car for a front row lockout, proving how well the Aussie has adapted on his return to sportscars. Like it was ever in doubt?

Victory for the #14 car came under safety car
Victory for the #14 car came under safety car
Great expectations
Webber might have expected too much from the car in quali, but I bet he's glad at what it delivered in the last hour of the race. It's a good job Porsche is building a new 919 Hybrid for next season, too, because the #20 car is now scrap.

An incident with the #90 8Star Motorsports 458 pitched Webber's car into a spin and a massive impact with the concrete wall on the exit of turn 14. The left side of the car detonated and most of the bodywork was returned back to individual carbon fibres, but the safety cell stood up to the huge g loading and Webber managed to give a thumbs up as he was stretchered into a medical car.

Porsche tweeted "driver ok" - @AussieGrit by name...

It was a bittersweet end to the season for Porsche as although the #14's gap to the chasing Toyota of World Champion Davidson had stabilised at roughly 15 seconds, the shunt meant the race finished under the safety car, guaranteeing the victory went to Lieb, Dumas and Jani.

Tom Kristensen ends a superb Audi career
Tom Kristensen ends a superb Audi career
A fitting end
While it was a weekend of firsts for Porsche, it was a weekend of lasts for Audi. Mr Le Mans, Tom Kristensen, finished on the podium in his last race for Ingolstadt.

The Dane's record in sportscars is incredible. Get this: in every Le Mans he has finished, he's recorded a podium result, including nine overall victories spanning 17 years.

For me his best performance came in 2008. Peugeot had pace over the Audis, but Audi had strategy - and TK. Kristensen got in the car in the small hours, not long after 3am, with a minute deficit to Jacques Villeneuve in the #7 908.

In greasy wet conditions, in the dark, doing 200mph and overtaking traffic Kristensen consistently took eight seconds a lap out of the lead car. If you were at La Sarthe yourself that year, you'll know the incredible physical and mental effort he summoned.

9 LM victories is a phenomenal record
9 LM victories is a phenomenal record
If you don't, here's a neatly illustrative quote from the Audi film Truth in 24: "At night you become one with the car. In the fast corners you don't see the apex until you get there, so you really drive on your determination." Quite, but it still doesn't make turn-in to the Porsche Curves at 150mph-plus any less of a terrifying prospect.

TK effectively won the race for Audi, increasing the gap to over a minute by the time Villeneuve got out of the Peugeot, going on to complete one of the most gruelling quadruple stints of his life. On a knackered set of wets in a circa 930kg car with 950lb ft of torque.

I mentioned strategy - the man that masterminded Kristensen's eighth LM win, Howden 'H' Haynes hung up his headset at the end of the race in Brazil, entering retirement too. Ingolstadt owes much to him - if you want to know just how important a lead engineer is in motorsport, watch Truth in 24.

Two titles for Toyota but LM evaded them this year
Two titles for Toyota but LM evaded them this year
The future's bright
Endurance racing entered a new era this year, with the 2014 rules bringing some competition and excitement in what was previously and Audi-dominated environment.

With McNish no longer 'dancing on the pedals' and Kristensen now taking up a role as an Audi brand ambassador, many of the names that forged modern endurance racing are gone. It is the end of an era, but then people probably thought that when Derek Bell and Jacky Ickx retired...

The exciting thing is how open the top level now is: Toyota might have wrapped up the Drivers' and Constructors' World Championships at the third time of asking, but Le Mans still proved elusive this year - Audi took the win and that's a pot Toyota wants big time.

That Porsche is now back on the top step bodes well for next year, but it'll be tough - Nissan is joining with a factory assault, the car having tested recently, and there are potentially more manufacturers in the pipeline.

Like the 80s and the late 90s, this has the feel of a becoming another golden age for sportscars, don't you think?

[Source: Autosport]

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jl34

Original Poster:

551 posts

254 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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I think the cars have to be far more entertaining before we can consider another golden era. I have no desire to watch turbo 4's hybrids, diesel etc. I would rather see cars that have beauty and soul such as Group C and 60/70's sports cars. I think that charachter has long gone now.

iwantcheese5

76 posts

144 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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The variety in sounds they make is great, a whole field of V4 turbo's might sound dull but when it's in contrast to the screaming V8 of the Toyota and the eerie whoosh of the Audi V6 it all it becomes part of what makes hearing the cars emerge from the darkness so exciting. I agree LMP1 cars aren't so exciting to look at as they're so similar.

Alex Langheck

835 posts

146 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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The future is indeed bright - and with Nissan joining with their own different solution, it could be fantastic.

What also needs to happen is to get promoting the series properly. The idea of a paywall is utterly ridiculous - how is that helping grow the series.

With F1 seemingly intent in shooting itself in the foot, there is a chance for one of the other World series to grab some attention.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

169 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Personally I think sports cars is about to enter a new era.

I have made my peace with the fact that motorsport as a whole will never be like it was in the 80s and 90s. The world has moved on. As said above I love the variety - 3 manufacturers have come up with three different ways of making a car go fast for 24 hours. The fact they all look similar is because aerodynamic research appears to have reached a point, now with CFD doing years worth of windtunnel work every off season, where a generally acknowledged 'best shape' has emerged and the difference is now in the detail.

I think with 4 works teams in P1, a couple of big names, and a return (in the form of Hulkenburg) of drivers doing multi-discipline stuff - the future is bright.


joema

2,716 posts

196 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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I agree. The cars are remarkable and that Toyota sounds amazing in the flesh and its sound wouldnt be out of place in Group C...

What also impresses me is their reliability. Endurance by name, sprint by nature.

fatboy18

19,403 posts

228 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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I predict that in years to come motor racing circuits will look like this frown



Teams will be able to do away with drivers and all cars will be electric frown


Tom Kristensen's record is outstanding, a motorsport legend bow

RobGT81

5,229 posts

203 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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LMP1 looks to be in good health for now, as long as VAG don't pull the plug on Audi. Toyotas budget always seems to be on thin ice.

Looking forward to what Nissan bring to the party. The DW/ZEOD didn't interest me but now they can't hide behind Garage 56 and Darren Coxs marketing spiel. Expecting a heavily hybrid reliant motor.

GTE/GTE+/GT3 really needs sorting out.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

169 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Indeed - to me merging the GTE and GT3 rules seems a no brainer - but talks are continually breaking down over it.

woof

8,456 posts

294 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Mark Webber crashes out in the WEC at Interlagos WEC 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbFMGMo8Qg
At least he got a bit further round than his big one in 2003

He really doesn't get on with that corner does he !?
F1 2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cGrUYvyjY

fatboy18

19,403 posts

228 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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woof said:
Mark Webber crashes out in the WEC at Interlagos WEC 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGbFMGMo8Qg
At least he got a bit further round than his big one in 2003

He really doesn't get on with that corner does he !?
F1 2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cGrUYvyjY
I love the look on the faces of the team in the Garage! Bugger, New chassis needed!

Some Gump

12,997 posts

203 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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jl34 said:
I think the cars have to be far more entertaining before we can consider another golden era. I have no desire to watch turbo 4's hybrids, diesel etc. I would rather see cars that have beauty and soul such as Group C and 60/70's sports cars. I think that charachter has long gone now.
I take it you didn't watch the race then? You had prototypes leaning on the raggy limit for 6 hours, over 5 of which featured a wheel to wheel battle (<1/2s gap) flat out. They were lapping within 4 seconds of F1 pace. Sometimes there were sparks. What more do you want? It'll never be 1976 again, no series anywhere is going to have cars with flames coming out all over the place, that's just a waste of fuel.

This years WEC has been epic, and Sao Paulo was a brilliant, brilliant race. Can't wait to the start of next season, and yet another trip to Le Mans =)

Alex Langheck

835 posts

146 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Vocal Minority said:
Indeed - to me merging the GTE and GT3 rules seems a no brainer - but talks are continually breaking down over it.
A no brainer to everybody bar the Manufacturers. I've often thought about having one car for both; just a different kit for GTE meaning more power and downforce; and then removing it for GT3 racing.

ChrisPap

395 posts

171 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Merging GT3 and GTE is not simple.

GTE cars are ferociously expensive and have much tighter controls, relying on a formula of NA V8 or less with 5.5L or less and you build a car to the rules. This limits the current entrants to 3 manufactures.

GT3 is more road car based and anything goes, using Balance of Performance measurements to equalise the cars. That's why you have the great variety of manufactures and engines, I think 36 all up are currently homologated.

Far better. FIA needs to scrap GTE!

Edited by ChrisPap on Tuesday 2nd December 00:01

Alex Langheck

835 posts

146 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Yes, I understand the reasons why; its annoying that GTE only has Ferrari, AstonMartin and Porsche. Yet GT3 has loads of Manufacturers, as seen in Blancpain et al.
As ever, politics are getting in the way.

Interestingly, there was a recent interview with Dave Richards of Prodrive/ Aston-Martin, and he wishes GT's were the top class.

Some Gump

12,997 posts

203 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Alex Langheck said:
Yes, I understand the reasons why; its annoying that GTE only has Ferrari, AstonMartin and Porsche. Yet GT3 has loads of Manufacturers, as seen in Blancpain et al.
As ever, politics are getting in the way.

Interestingly, there was a recent interview with Dave Richards of Prodrive/ Aston-Martin, and he wishes GT's were the top class.
I'm sure he does, but I'm really, really glad that they're not.

There are hundreds of places to see 458's, 911's and Astons go racing - why would I do 14 hours each way to see them race in France? For it to be the top flight of endurance, you need something special, something you don't see every week driving past on the roads.
In addition, although it causes some pagga occasionally, the speed differential between LMP and GTE is needed so that the constant need to lap backmarkers is kept up - it really gives an extra dimension to the racing!

LY99

153 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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Alex Langheck said:
What also needs to happen is to get promoting the series properly. The idea of a paywall is utterly ridiculous - how is that helping grow the series.
It was shown live on Motors TV, which I believe is now available on Freeview Ch 71

A great race and great racing. It didn't seem like endurance racing, more a 6hr sprint race!

RobGT81

5,229 posts

203 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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fatboy18 said:
I love the look on the faces of the team in the Garage! Bugger, New chassis needed!
They are using a new car next year anyway smile