Gull Wing Doors on a Wedge???
Discussion
Has anyone considered Gull Wing Doors (Lambo Doors) for a Wedge. Now, before anyone bites my head off, I'm not thinking of doing it on my existing Wedge, but something I'm considering as experimental on a secondary one. I know there has been talk about this for a Cerbra and some have mentioned figures of around £1500 for the kit, and apparently can be worked on a fibre glass car with a tube chassis. The wedge has an advantage in that the doors have no window frame and can be adapted to the chassis door pillar. I think it would look cool, and be easier to get out of the car in a small garage and confined spaces. Just imagine pulling up in the Wedge on a nice warm summers day in a crowded car park and lifting up the Lambo doors. How good would that look?
Can somebody be kind enough to photo shop a Wedge with the Lambo Doors in the up position and post it on here just to see how it would look. I am useless with computers otherwise I'd do it myself. Visualising it in my mind, it seems a great idea, but a picture would give me more confidence. What say you?
Tony. TCB.
Can somebody be kind enough to photo shop a Wedge with the Lambo Doors in the up position and post it on here just to see how it would look. I am useless with computers otherwise I'd do it myself. Visualising it in my mind, it seems a great idea, but a picture would give me more confidence. What say you?
Tony. TCB.
Firstly I don't think you actually mean Gull Wing doors.
The Countach type doors are referred to as scissor doors whereas Gull Wings hinge from a central point above the passenger compartment as in a DeLorean or a Mercedes 300SL.
Secondly I think they'll look awful and would be a nightmare to fit as I'm pretty sure the weight of the door will fracture the fibreglass without the installation of some significant metalwork. You may also have issues with the forward edge of the door fouling the rear edge of the front wing unless you modify that area as well, the same probably goes for teh rear edge as well.
That all said the hinges can be bought for a number of cars with conventional hinges but my opinion is they look naff on anything but a Lamborghini
http://www.scissor-doors.com/lambo-doors/
The Countach type doors are referred to as scissor doors whereas Gull Wings hinge from a central point above the passenger compartment as in a DeLorean or a Mercedes 300SL.
Secondly I think they'll look awful and would be a nightmare to fit as I'm pretty sure the weight of the door will fracture the fibreglass without the installation of some significant metalwork. You may also have issues with the forward edge of the door fouling the rear edge of the front wing unless you modify that area as well, the same probably goes for teh rear edge as well.
That all said the hinges can be bought for a number of cars with conventional hinges but my opinion is they look naff on anything but a Lamborghini
http://www.scissor-doors.com/lambo-doors/
The sills are too high on the Z1 to allow for the door to slide into maybe. This makes the car look somewhat out of proportion. The Wedge on the other hand has a well balanced and streamlined look, and would look I'm sure, much better with the scissor doors, or even with no doors. The doors on the Wedge have no window frame which makes it an ideal candidate for such a project. The door framework for side protection could be replaced with alloy to make it lighter and using the sophisticated but expensive scissor door kit, it can be achieved.
The reason I want to see a photo is to be able to judge if it actually suits the car. Also, would be more practical in confined spaces. It would be unique, and the concept sounds real cool. Imagine that on a red or a yellow Wedge. Mind you, it could even look cooler if a Lambo colour was used such as lime green or bright orange. That would be some car and the ultimate crowd puller.
Tony. TCB.
The reason I want to see a photo is to be able to judge if it actually suits the car. Also, would be more practical in confined spaces. It would be unique, and the concept sounds real cool. Imagine that on a red or a yellow Wedge. Mind you, it could even look cooler if a Lambo colour was used such as lime green or bright orange. That would be some car and the ultimate crowd puller.
Tony. TCB.
V8 GRF said:
Firstly I don't think you actually mean Gull Wing doors.
The Countach type doors are referred to as scissor doors whereas Gull Wings hinge from a central point above the passenger compartment as in a DeLorean or a Mercedes 300SL.
Secondly I think they'll look awful and would be a nightmare to fit as I'm pretty sure the weight of the door will fracture the fibreglass without the installation of some significant metalwork. You may also have issues with the forward edge of the door fouling the rear edge of the front wing unless you modify that area as well, the same probably goes for teh rear edge as well.
That all said the hinges can be bought for a number of cars with conventional hinges but my opinion is they look naff on anything but a Lamborghini
http://www.scissor-doors.com/lambo-doors/
I'm with David here. Ignoring the extra weight and looks, how much are you thinking to pay? Or would you do all of the work yourself. You need to weld the hinge onto the chassis somehow and then be sure that the part of the chassis that you have welded the hinge to can transfer the forces OK. Welding in all of these bits of steel will be difficult with the body on. Then there's sorting out the geometry of the door opening. I doubt whether you could save much, if any by replacing the door crash protection with lightweight materials because you'll need more of them. In short it would be a time consuming and expensive job.The Countach type doors are referred to as scissor doors whereas Gull Wings hinge from a central point above the passenger compartment as in a DeLorean or a Mercedes 300SL.
Secondly I think they'll look awful and would be a nightmare to fit as I'm pretty sure the weight of the door will fracture the fibreglass without the installation of some significant metalwork. You may also have issues with the forward edge of the door fouling the rear edge of the front wing unless you modify that area as well, the same probably goes for teh rear edge as well.
That all said the hinges can be bought for a number of cars with conventional hinges but my opinion is they look naff on anything but a Lamborghini
http://www.scissor-doors.com/lambo-doors/
...and not forgetting: http://youtu.be/3ks1RfntkPI
and it's mechanical design: http://youtu.be/vt_bEnkE18M
Phil
420 SEAC
and it's mechanical design: http://youtu.be/vt_bEnkE18M
Phil
420 SEAC
Transmitter Man said:
...and not forgetting: http://youtu.be/3ks1RfntkPI
and it's mechanical design: http://youtu.be/vt_bEnkE18M
Phil
420 SEAC
I love those scissor doors on the Lambo. I wish I could have it on the Wedge. If it suits any other car other than the Lambo, it has to be the Wedge. I won't be able to sleep tonight thinking about it. You know what they say? If you want something bad enough, you'll find a way to get it? Mmmmmmand it's mechanical design: http://youtu.be/vt_bEnkE18M
Phil
420 SEAC
PS. If you look at those Lambo doors in the video, they look so much like the Wedge door. It has no window frame and though the handle is lower down, there is a resemblance.
Tony. TCB.
Edited by ElvisWedgely on Friday 5th December 20:09
TA14 said:
then be sure that the part of the chassis that you have welded the hinge to can transfer the forces OK.
Errr - surely when the door is just open with the current arrangement, that is the worst of all torque loading? As it is not supported at the rear.If the door swivelled upwards instead of out, the torque will actually get lower. So the existing metal/bodywork behind the door hinge is already strong enough.
Presumably the door has to swing open a little first before there is room to swivel it up - even on the Lambo? Or would you round off the bottom rear corner?
adam quantrill said:
Errr - surely when the door is just open with the current arrangement, that is the worst of all torque loading? As it is not supported at the rear.
I agree with Adam. The door must be at maximum torque loading when opened in its current arrangement. Which means that the chassis pillar must be able to take the weight. The tricky part I think would be the hinge design to let the door open out a fraction before folding up, and staying up. Also attaching the new hinge to the pillar would be a problem with the body in situ.Tony. TCB.
adam quantrill said:
Presumably the door has to swing open a little first before there is room to swivel it up - even on the Lambo?
I don't think so. At least on Countach (which AFAIK is the most original design of Lambo doors) they seem to open straight up. The shape of the door is made so the rear can open straight up and the hinge is actually pretty high (about where the window starts).This shows where the hinge is: http://www.lambocars.com/images/lamboevents/tilque...
And this shows that the doors won't actually open wide, but just up:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1980-1989/1985-L...
Actually it seems to be the same on Diablo: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs48/f/2009/190/5/5/Lam...
Also Murcielago
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