Christmas Crime Prevention advice??
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BBC Radio Cumbria said:
There have been reports of attempted break-ins in Carlisle over the past week. One lady from Upperby, who was in the house at the time, has said she wouldn't wish the experience on her worst enemy.
Cumbria Police advise locking all doors and windows, and making sure you don't leave presents out under the tree.
They went on to warn people not to leave presents on view in the back of cars, or leave cars defrosting on driveways with the keys in the ignition.Cumbria Police advise locking all doors and windows, and making sure you don't leave presents out under the tree.
SHOULD they really be offering this advice??
Surely home and vehicle owners should have the right to carry out their Christmas celebrations without having thieves ruin their festive cheer?
The police should be tackling the perpetrators of crime, and telling THEM that it is not alright to steal!
Police appear to be blaming the victims for their losses.
Edited by Mill Wheel on Tuesday 9th December 09:49
Really?
So rather than not leaving an unlocked car on the drive, engine running police should be stopping the thieves?
In an ideal world eh?
Perhaps people need to realise that there are always going to opportunist scum waiting to nick stuff and take some basic preventative measures and apply some common sense?
So yes they should be giving out basic crime prevention advice as it stops people becoming the victim of a crime.
So rather than not leaving an unlocked car on the drive, engine running police should be stopping the thieves?
In an ideal world eh?
Perhaps people need to realise that there are always going to opportunist scum waiting to nick stuff and take some basic preventative measures and apply some common sense?
So yes they should be giving out basic crime prevention advice as it stops people becoming the victim of a crime.
Well every time they offer advice to women not to go out scantily clad and get steaming drunk, that's the response trotted out!
"Men shouldn't rape, women have a right to go out dressed to thrill!"
http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/01/women-s-rights-...
"Men shouldn't rape, women have a right to go out dressed to thrill!"
http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/01/women-s-rights-...
Euronews said:
An estimated 400 people took part in a so-called “Slut March” in Budapest on Sunday. Participants dressed allegedly provocatively, aiming to draw awareness against rape.
Hungarian Women’s Groups are specifically angry about an official public safety video which they claim partially blames women for sexual assaults against them.
The video depicts three friends on a night out, dressing up drinking and flirting before one of them is attacked.
The end slogan says: “You are responsible, you can do something about it”.
Hungary’s police are using the video as part of a campaign to reduce sexual assaults but critics say they should be addressing offenders and not victims.
Hungarian Women’s Groups are specifically angry about an official public safety video which they claim partially blames women for sexual assaults against them.
The video depicts three friends on a night out, dressing up drinking and flirting before one of them is attacked.
The end slogan says: “You are responsible, you can do something about it”.
Hungary’s police are using the video as part of a campaign to reduce sexual assaults but critics say they should be addressing offenders and not victims.
Greendubber said:
So yes they should be giving out basic crime prevention advice as it stops people becoming the victim of a crime.
Good, I'm glad somebody thinks it is a perfectly reasonable approach - after all it's not so long since a woman in Bristol was murdered, and the investigation uncovered a perpetrator who preyed on women on nights out... but will the police dare to tell women to cover up when they go out this year??Mill Wheel said:
Well every time they offer advice to women not to go out scantily clad and get steaming drunk, that's the response trotted out!
The UK police? I assume you mean them, as it appears not only are you changing the reference point from acquisitive crime, but are looking at different countries. La Liga said:
he UK police? I assume you mean them, as it appears not only are you changing the reference point from acquisitive crime, but are looking at different countries.
It seems to happen in ALL countries - Hungary being the most recent, but in Canada, the US, and in the UK.It appears that there is a group of women who don't like the idea of being given sound crime prevention advice, such as is given to householders!
I'm just trying to wake up peoples perceptions and I hope others pick up on the point!
http://oxfordstudent.com/2012/05/27/why-the-slutwa...
OxfordStudent.com said:
Believe this myth all you like, because the Slut Walk is in town, and it is here to remind you that no matter what you achieve or how brilliant you are, you are always a victim, and in the eyes of men, you are always a slut.
Mill Wheel said:
BBC Radio Cumbria said:
There have been reports of attempted break-ins in Carlisle over the past week. One lady from Upperby, who was in the house at the time, has said she wouldn't wish the experience on her worst enemy.
Cumbria Police advise locking all doors and windows, and making sure you don't leave presents out under the tree.
They went on to warn people not to leave presents on view in the back of cars, or leave cars defrosting on driveways with the keys in the ignition.Cumbria Police advise locking all doors and windows, and making sure you don't leave presents out under the tree.
SHOULD they really be offering this advice??
Surely home and vehicle owners should have the right to carry out their Christmas celebrations without having thieves ruin their festive cheer?
The police should be tackling the perpetrators of crime, and telling THEM that it is not alright to steal!
Police appear to be blaming the victims for their losses.
Edited by Mill Wheel on Tuesday 9th December 09:49
They are just suggesting that people take reasonable precautions.
It is actually against the law IIRC to leave your vehicle unattended with the engine running.
Mill Wheel said:
Well every time they offer advice to women not to go out scantily clad and get steaming drunk, that's the response trotted out!
"Men shouldn't rape, women have a right to go out dressed to thrill!"
http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/01/women-s-rights-...
Errr...that's because women don't get raped because they are scantily clad you bellend."Men shouldn't rape, women have a right to go out dressed to thrill!"
http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/01/women-s-rights-...
Euronews said:
An estimated 400 people took part in a so-called “Slut March” in Budapest on Sunday. Participants dressed allegedly provocatively, aiming to draw awareness against rape.
Hungarian Women’s Groups are specifically angry about an official public safety video which they claim partially blames women for sexual assaults against them.
The video depicts three friends on a night out, dressing up drinking and flirting before one of them is attacked.
The end slogan says: “You are responsible, you can do something about it”.
Hungary’s police are using the video as part of a campaign to reduce sexual assaults but critics say they should be addressing offenders and not victims.
Hungarian Women’s Groups are specifically angry about an official public safety video which they claim partially blames women for sexual assaults against them.
The video depicts three friends on a night out, dressing up drinking and flirting before one of them is attacked.
The end slogan says: “You are responsible, you can do something about it”.
Hungary’s police are using the video as part of a campaign to reduce sexual assaults but critics say they should be addressing offenders and not victims.
The "slutwalk" originated from a Canadian officer's comments. I expect they were the individual's and not the view of the police force as a whole.
I've never seen the UK police tell women to dress in a set manner in terms of crime-prevention advice. There's always an ignorant individual, but that's not representative.
I've never seen the UK police tell women to dress in a set manner in terms of crime-prevention advice. There's always an ignorant individual, but that's not representative.
Devil2575 said:
Errr...that's because women don't get raped because they are scantily clad you bellend.
Completely agree. They get raped because their rapist is a sexually inadequate beta male, who will never amount to anything, and they lack the balls to pick on someone they think can fight back, so they take their anger out on women.La Liga said:
The "slutwalk" originated from a Canadian officer's comments. I expect they were the individual's and not the view of the police force as a whole.
I've never seen the UK police tell women to dress in a set manner in terms of crime-prevention advice. There's always an ignorant individual, but that's not representative.
Really?I've never seen the UK police tell women to dress in a set manner in terms of crime-prevention advice. There's always an ignorant individual, but that's not representative.
http://manchester.tab.co.uk/2014/11/06/offensive-m...
Mill Wheel said:
Your stupid OP though was nothing about blaming the victim. It's basic crime prevention. Things not everyone thinks about. Is that the best you can find?LucreLout said:
Devil2575 said:
Errr...that's because women don't get raped because they are scantily clad you bellend.
Completely agree. They get raped because their rapist is a sexually inadequate beta male, who will never amount to anything, and they lack the balls to pick on someone they think can fight back, so they take their anger out on women.And street lighting can often leave shadows in between for attackers/robbers to hide in - yet councils are often accused of not enough street lighting.
However, the media always pick up on the mode of dress/attire and any mention of it, and women ignore it!
Even the climate in Cumbria does not put women off going out scantily clad - I'm surprised there are not more cases of hyperthermia!
Mk3Spitfire said:
Mill Wheel said:
Your stupid OP though was nothing about blaming the victim. It's basic crime prevention. Things not everyone thinks about. Is that the best you can find?On any level, the police should be free to offer up advice without the constant moans!
If they don't like the advice, why not just walk on by and ignore it?
Mill Wheel said:
Of course it is, the accompanying text points that out - but it is being hijacked by feminists, and used to attack the police.
On any level, the police should be free to offer up advice without the constant moans!
If they don't like the advice, why not just walk on by and ignore it?
Ahh. You're trolling. On any level, the police should be free to offer up advice without the constant moans!
If they don't like the advice, why not just walk on by and ignore it?
Mill Wheel said:
I agree - the Bristol victim was not dressed to thrill - it was an opportunist crime by a unstable individual. The issue I would hold more important is drinking to excess as in the Chad Evans case, and not travelling with companions, but walking alone.
And street lighting can often leave shadows in between for attackers/robbers to hide in - yet councils are often accused of not enough street lighting.
However, the media always pick up on the mode of dress/attire and any mention of it, and women ignore it!
Even the climate in Cumbria does not put women off going out scantily clad - I'm surprised there are not more cases of hyperthermia!
The media pick up on atire because they don't know what they're talking about either. It's a "What I reckon" or a "It stands to reason" opinion based on no evidence just a preconception.And street lighting can often leave shadows in between for attackers/robbers to hide in - yet councils are often accused of not enough street lighting.
However, the media always pick up on the mode of dress/attire and any mention of it, and women ignore it!
Even the climate in Cumbria does not put women off going out scantily clad - I'm surprised there are not more cases of hyperthermia!
The issue of atire stems IMHO from one of moral outrage and those campaigning are very likely to have a religious and/or moral objection to women dressing in that way. It's all part of the "She was asking for it!" mentality. Not a million miles from the view in some countries where the woman is entirely responsible in law of she is raped.
Most woman are not raped in dark allys by strangers at night, they are raped by people they know.
Mill Wheel said:
That's acquisitive, not sexual crime prevention, with a crap play-on-words.1) You start off with an acquisitive crime prevention example from the UK police, which gets shot down quite easily so you don't mention it again, as telling people not to quit their vehicles is sensible and prevents their cars being stolen.
2) You then change the reference point to sexual crime-prevention (implying the UK police give out inappropriate sexual crime-prevention advice), then 'prove' this by quoting a 'movement' that came from an individual Canadian officer's comments, and show what protesters are doing in Hungary around it.
3) You then completely and deliberately misrepresent a (poor) acquisitive crime-prevention poster, aimed at students, to try to represent it as the UK police telling women how to dress to not be a victim of sexual offending.
I look forward to the next installment. How about quoting something / someone from the 1970s?
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