Would you pay 20.000 extra for an R compared to a 2.9?
Would you pay 20.000 extra for an R compared to a 2.9?
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Vacationboy

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171 posts

131 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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considering an R, which would mean 20.000 extra over a non-S really.


Is it really that much better? and will it still hold a big premium when the time comes for sale?

IMI A

9,911 posts

219 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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I very much doubt an R will lose value as its future classic. Find a Peridot Green R with Ceramics my friend. The 2.9 will lose money no doubt. So yes I'd spend the £20k extra.

mrdemon

21,146 posts

283 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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You could say the R is NOT worth 20k more to buy, but imo you will get a bigger return when you sell so net result is less cost to own.

The bespoke Shocks really makes the R what it is, and the free buckets, but you can buy that for £1.5k and fit it to a gen 2 3.4S (what are they £30k ? )

Vacationboy

Original Poster:

171 posts

131 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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I highly doubt a R would be 40k in 5 years... 20-25 maybe, with a 2.9 being 10. Still a good buy though.

mrdemon

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283 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Vacationboy said:
I highly doubt a R would be 40k in 5 years... 20-25 maybe, with a 2.9 being 10. Still a good buy though.
people said that 3 years ago, they have gone up since then lol quite a few people said the R will be £25k come 2013
they are £44k in 2015.

they dropped to mids 30's and went back up and now seem to be going up again from 40k, OPC has 5 cars all £43k ish and all over 20k miles, all crap spec as well (imho)

pete a

3,799 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Vacationboy said:
I highly doubt a R would be 40k in 5 years... 20-25 maybe, with a 2.9 being 10. Still a good buy though.
Wont happen, they are a very desirable car and in small numbers, don't see them ever going below 40 all the time GT3's are starting at 50-60 for 996's

Vacationboy

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171 posts

131 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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pete a said:
Wont happen, they are a very desirable car and in small numbers, don't see them ever going below 40 all the time GT3's are starting at 50-60 for 996's
It isnt a GT3 though is it, still the boggo DFI engine ( lovely as it is) which serves in all the S models - mezger bla bla bla tongue out

mrdemon

21,146 posts

283 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Vacationboy said:
It isnt a GT3 though is it, still the boggo DFI engine ( lovely as it is) which serves in all the S models - mezger bla bla bla tongue out
964RS did not have much of a engine over a standard car, look at the prices on those now vs a C2S normal car.

not saying the R will reach those prices as it's not a 911, but the R drives so well it will be sort after no question.

even if prices are the same and never go up, it's still cheaper than buying and selling a 2.9 which was your question.
As with any model miles kills price, which can be an avantage if you plan to do low miles which means you can pay less for a higher miles car which will ave out.

If you have 40k to spend then imo it's a no brainer choice over a stock 2.9, just on resale alone, let alone how great a car it is.

rising GT3 prices have def helped R prices for people who want to get into a drivers car and now don't have £75k for a 997.1 GT3. The R is the next best thing for 30k less !!! (when I say next best thing, some might say better ;-) )

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 9th December 14:44

pete a

3,799 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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Vacationboy said:
It isnt a GT3 though is it, still the boggo DFI engine ( lovely as it is) which serves in all the S models - mezger bla bla bla tongue out
thought you were describing the 991GT3 engine for a second there biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

No it's not a GT3 and the GT4 could make a difference when it comes out, but it is the most focused modern car Porsche made barring the GT3 or 918 Spyder.

never gonnna be £25k, shame because at that price i would be snapping one up to go with the GT3...

itsybitsy

5,634 posts

203 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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pete a said:
but it is the most focused modern car Porsche made barring the GT3 or 918 Spyder.
you forgot the 987.2 spyder!

pete a

3,799 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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itsybitsy said:
you forgot the 987.2 spyder!
Yeah i suppose i did, not driven one but my friend loves his one.

They are not dropping too much either though are they.

g7jhp

7,020 posts

256 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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mrdemon said:
now don't have £75k for a 997.1 GT3.
997.1 GT3 are still £65-69k.....this week! biggrin

Beanoir

1,327 posts

213 months

Tuesday 9th December 2014
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g7jhp said:
997.1 GT3 are still £65-69k.....this week! biggrin
For a leggy, early not so great example of one. you may well yes - but lets not forget that the RRP of that car would have been c. £79k, not bad devaluation really?

The R has a lot going for it, only a couple of hundred in existence, and half were manual and most reviews are nothing but praise for the car.

I think it'll see a good hold on it's values, may well go down, but I don't think by a lot.

Another thing in its favour os the plethora of PDK cars now being sold and when people are searching for a manual car they will have to look back to the 996/997 GT3s and Cayman Rs for that experience. Personally I don't think the 991 GT3 will be holding it's value much like the previous ones.

Only my opinion of course, I could be utterly wrong.


tracydeedance

787 posts

197 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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CR everytime awsome Porsche limted numbers as well. So a good investment they are going up in value and why not they are a great car.Lots of people are waking up to that fact.

Carl_Docklands

15,087 posts

280 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Vacationboy said:
considering an R, which would mean 20.000 extra over a non-S really.


Is it really that much better? and will it still hold a big premium when the time comes for sale?
In terms of sheet fun, a 2.9 Manual with 18inch wheels and PSE will hold its own on the UK roads against a stock Cayman R.

It might be one of the best drives period!

ajondyh

706 posts

142 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
In terms of sheet fun, a 2.9 Manual with 18inch wheels and PSE will hold its own on the UK roads against a stock Cayman R.

It might be one of the best drives period!
roflroflrofl

Beanoir

1,327 posts

213 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
In terms of sheet fun, a 2.9 Manual with 18inch wheels and PSE will hold its own on the UK roads against a stock Cayman R.

It might be one of the best drives period!
thats all down to the PSE right?

Carl_Docklands

15,087 posts

280 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Beanoir said:
Carl_Docklands said:
In terms of sheet fun, a 2.9 Manual with 18inch wheels and PSE will hold its own on the UK roads against a stock Cayman R.

It might be one of the best drives period!
thats all down to the PSE right?
I think the whole package of small engine, non-DFI noise and nimbleness is hard to beat, to me it felt more like lotus-like.



IMI A

9,911 posts

219 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
Beanoir said:
Carl_Docklands said:
In terms of sheet fun, a 2.9 Manual with 18inch wheels and PSE will hold its own on the UK roads against a stock Cayman R.

It might be one of the best drives period!
thats all down to the PSE right?
I think the whole package of small engine, non-DFI noise and nimbleness is hard to beat, to me it felt more like lotus-like.
Common sense wasted on this forum occasionally Carl! I too love the 2.9 engine. Loves to rev! Would still have the R as its special by all accounts I've seen and read.

mrdemon

21,146 posts

283 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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I sold my 19" and went 18" on my gen 1 Cayman also

19" on a ge1 one was not good at all.

I have no issue with the R on 19" though Porsche have got the passive set up working quite well.

17" on a R would just be rolling the rubber off the wheel. And would make the whole car feel sloppy I would bet.