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Guys, I'm not really well up on Mercs, but have been looking to change my car for a while. I was planning to join the 4x4 brigade with RR or Cayenne, but prefer a big saloon for my everyday car. Most currently look a bit boring, but I stumbled across one a CLS 63 AMG, which I quite liked the look of, particularly the interior
Are these particularly expensive as a daily car. I have a history of big Audi's Jags and Porsches so I'm not expecting Ford running costs. They claim 28mpg which sounds a bit ambitious - any thoughts on how realistic this is
Finally just be keen to hear how they are as a daily drive, particularly in the wet / poof grip, given those big old turbos. I had a GT2 with similar power and found it a bit tricky when it was very cold and wet, though surprisingly straightforward otherwise, so long as you didn't do anything mad!
thanks James
Are these particularly expensive as a daily car. I have a history of big Audi's Jags and Porsches so I'm not expecting Ford running costs. They claim 28mpg which sounds a bit ambitious - any thoughts on how realistic this is
Finally just be keen to hear how they are as a daily drive, particularly in the wet / poof grip, given those big old turbos. I had a GT2 with similar power and found it a bit tricky when it was very cold and wet, though surprisingly straightforward otherwise, so long as you didn't do anything mad!
thanks James
Averaging 19 out of mine
But it has visited dms.
I have a shooting brake( estate) and they have dropped like a stone and worth looking at now.
Tyres lasted me 16000 and only were replaced as all worn on insides.
Tracking took 2days at merc to sort out.
Just had 3 recalls done under warranty which they didn't tell me about until booked for other work
It runs ok on normal unleaded dropping only slight performance but definitely likes the optimax or whatever it's now called.
Interior is nice, heated and massage seats well worth it imo.
But it has visited dms.
I have a shooting brake( estate) and they have dropped like a stone and worth looking at now.
Tyres lasted me 16000 and only were replaced as all worn on insides.
Tracking took 2days at merc to sort out.
Just had 3 recalls done under warranty which they didn't tell me about until booked for other work
It runs ok on normal unleaded dropping only slight performance but definitely likes the optimax or whatever it's now called.
Interior is nice, heated and massage seats well worth it imo.
Charliesum said:
Averaging 19 out of mine
But it has visited dms.
I have a shooting brake( estate) and they have dropped like a stone and worth looking at now.
Tyres lasted me 16000 and only were replaced as all worn on insides.
Tracking took 2days at merc to sort out.
Just had 3 recalls done under warranty which they didn't tell me about until booked for other work
It runs ok on normal unleaded dropping only slight performance but definitely likes the optimax or whatever it's now called.
Interior is nice, heated and massage seats well worth it imo.
they are very good value indeed. love the sbBut it has visited dms.
I have a shooting brake( estate) and they have dropped like a stone and worth looking at now.
Tyres lasted me 16000 and only were replaced as all worn on insides.
Tracking took 2days at merc to sort out.
Just had 3 recalls done under warranty which they didn't tell me about until booked for other work
It runs ok on normal unleaded dropping only slight performance but definitely likes the optimax or whatever it's now called.
Interior is nice, heated and massage seats well worth it imo.
I have a 219 CLS63. Love it as much now as when I first sat in it nearly three years ago but wish I could afford an upgrade to a 218.
Haven't driven a 218 AMG but I sat in one at Mercedes World. Maybe I was imaging things but I felt the interior was made of better quality materials than the diesel version on display nearby. Perhaps the AMG was a fully loaded version with some interior upgrades.
AMG depreciation is pretty horrendous in the first few years. I've seen a 218 63 private sale for £36k. £40+k for 3 years! At that second hand price, however, it is superb value for money, probably about the same price as a poverty spec 218 diesel at new price.
OK, maybe the AMG doesn't really do 28 mpg as Mercedes say but, unless you are doing 20k+ miles a year, is fuel really a big deal compared to depreciation? Likewise the extra road tax.
Give it a try. As a driving experience it'll beat any 4x4. A performance car for grown ups.
Haven't driven a 218 AMG but I sat in one at Mercedes World. Maybe I was imaging things but I felt the interior was made of better quality materials than the diesel version on display nearby. Perhaps the AMG was a fully loaded version with some interior upgrades.
AMG depreciation is pretty horrendous in the first few years. I've seen a 218 63 private sale for £36k. £40+k for 3 years! At that second hand price, however, it is superb value for money, probably about the same price as a poverty spec 218 diesel at new price.
OK, maybe the AMG doesn't really do 28 mpg as Mercedes say but, unless you are doing 20k+ miles a year, is fuel really a big deal compared to depreciation? Likewise the extra road tax.
Give it a try. As a driving experience it'll beat any 4x4. A performance car for grown ups.
extra road tax is really only an extra tank of fuel!!
mine has lost over 40k in 2 years but i agreed the figures when i bought it so no point in crying now!!!!
the sb is indeed a good looking car and incredibly competent at munching miles, im just looking at changing the exhaust but then the missus will know and i@ll be in all sorts of trouble(again)
the boot is quite usable but with a restrictive opening, ive had both c63 and e63 but this is the best riding of them all imo.
the e63 felt quite soft c63 hard but for me the cls is just right! ( ooh i sound like goldilocks!)
dealers have a few sitting around, maybe they will move on now the petrol is dropping...
mine has lost over 40k in 2 years but i agreed the figures when i bought it so no point in crying now!!!!
the sb is indeed a good looking car and incredibly competent at munching miles, im just looking at changing the exhaust but then the missus will know and i@ll be in all sorts of trouble(again)
the boot is quite usable but with a restrictive opening, ive had both c63 and e63 but this is the best riding of them all imo.
the e63 felt quite soft c63 hard but for me the cls is just right! ( ooh i sound like goldilocks!)
dealers have a few sitting around, maybe they will move on now the petrol is dropping...
I can't comment on the ride of the CLS, but I have a 2013 E63 and whilst in many ways it's a great car, the engine is nowhere near as responsive or exciting as the one you have in your NA E class. It's too much of a blunt instrument and the top end is nowhere near as dramatic.
That said, the interior of the CLS feels more expensive than lesser models, with much better trim levels around events, nicer dials, the IWC clock etc. I think the AMG models feel further differentiated from the rest of the range than BMW's 'am' models for example.
As a daily driver, I've enjoyed having mine and have found it great on longer journeys, particularly compared to my older CLK63. Mine doesn't have the LSD, which during the first winter of ownership turned out to be a massiveness and obvious error on my part, but I needed a car fast and took one that was in stock at the time (June 2013). The car is fine in the dry and in a straight line but otherwise it's one wheel drive most of the time. I can't imagine the CLS will be much different given its underpinnings.
Overall, I haven't found it any more efficient than my CLK63, if anything the CLK was slightly better on longer, motorway runs. I have averaged 20.5 mpg based on the readout and on longer runs I get around 25 mpg over 200 miles. Around town (London) I get anything between 12 and 18 mpg depending on conditions. The range is pretty good though with nearly 400 miles between fill ups on longer journeys.
That said, the interior of the CLS feels more expensive than lesser models, with much better trim levels around events, nicer dials, the IWC clock etc. I think the AMG models feel further differentiated from the rest of the range than BMW's 'am' models for example.
As a daily driver, I've enjoyed having mine and have found it great on longer journeys, particularly compared to my older CLK63. Mine doesn't have the LSD, which during the first winter of ownership turned out to be a massiveness and obvious error on my part, but I needed a car fast and took one that was in stock at the time (June 2013). The car is fine in the dry and in a straight line but otherwise it's one wheel drive most of the time. I can't imagine the CLS will be much different given its underpinnings.
Overall, I haven't found it any more efficient than my CLK63, if anything the CLK was slightly better on longer, motorway runs. I have averaged 20.5 mpg based on the readout and on longer runs I get around 25 mpg over 200 miles. Around town (London) I get anything between 12 and 18 mpg depending on conditions. The range is pretty good though with nearly 400 miles between fill ups on longer journeys.
Guys is anyone getting near to the 28 mpg claimed for these cars. I would have hoped 25 was realistic, but it seems the truth us nearer to 20. Anyone managing to keep it in economy mode and actually getting decent numbers?
I'm currently debating whether its a realistic main car, or the run a cheap diesil along side it and the difference between 20 and 28 is a factor - thanks all
I'm currently debating whether its a realistic main car, or the run a cheap diesil along side it and the difference between 20 and 28 is a factor - thanks all
My 2013 twin turbo E63 gets 25-26mpg on a longer run of say 100+miles, provided I'm being sensible.
My average since I've had the car has been 20.5mpg over 15k miles. That said, I floor it pretty often. I don't use it in town much but when I do I get 12-18mpg depending on traffic.
I've never got better than 27mpg and that was on a long M5/M4 journey back into London in continuous 60mph traffic.
I've always used Optimax - I'm not sure if that's helped. I've never really set out to achieve the average but have had long journeys at stable, sensible speeds and haven't managed it so far. It hasn't really improved slas the miles have passed.
My average since I've had the car has been 20.5mpg over 15k miles. That said, I floor it pretty often. I don't use it in town much but when I do I get 12-18mpg depending on traffic.
I've never got better than 27mpg and that was on a long M5/M4 journey back into London in continuous 60mph traffic.
I've always used Optimax - I'm not sure if that's helped. I've never really set out to achieve the average but have had long journeys at stable, sensible speeds and haven't managed it so far. It hasn't really improved slas the miles have passed.
Edited by Mosdef on Thursday 1st January 17:16
Averaged 19.4 over 18000m so far according to the computer, but I have a fairly spirited right foot and have visited dms too!
I run the abarth for work but it's not recommended over long distances but does over 45on a run.
I use any fuel I can get, it definitely prefers the optimax stuff but runs happily with asda stuff when that's all that's available
It does ride better and tighter than the Biturbo e estate I had before.
I run the abarth for work but it's not recommended over long distances but does over 45on a run.
I use any fuel I can get, it definitely prefers the optimax stuff but runs happily with asda stuff when that's all that's available
It does ride better and tighter than the Biturbo e estate I had before.
Thanks chaps. That's quite a consistent story and nearly 30% down on what its supposed to do. Not a disaster if petrol stays at the levels it currently is, but I'm surprised its such a difference. If I can convince myself it won't lose much money in 12-18 months then I'll probably go for it
james S said:
Thanks chaps. That's quite a consistent story and nearly 30% down on what its supposed to do. Not a disaster if petrol stays at the levels it currently is, but I'm surprised its such a difference. If I can convince myself it won't lose much money in 12-18 months then I'll probably go for it
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james S said:
Thanks chaps. That's quite a consistent story and nearly 30% down on what its supposed to do. Not a disaster if petrol stays at the levels it currently is, but I'm surprised its such a difference. If I can convince myself it won't lose much money in 12-18 months then I'll probably go for it
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