Against residential parking
Discussion
They're consulting in my area to implement a residents parking scheme which I really don't want to happen if at all possible.
There's a consultation period that I'd like to write and object.
I'm obviously compiling a list of my concerns but I'd love to hear any and all negative points in this process.
There's a consultation period that I'd like to write and object.
I'm obviously compiling a list of my concerns but I'd love to hear any and all negative points in this process.
Troubleatmill said:
Are you a resident in the area where you park your car?
The plus points are....... if you are a resident... you get to park your car near your house. ( Which ... isn't a bad shout really )
Negative points, it costs you, it will be badly enforced and the 'thats my space mindset will develop'. All about money.The plus points are....... if you are a resident... you get to park your car near your house. ( Which ... isn't a bad shout really )
What sort of scheme are you talking about? Where I live parking for the football ground down the road is a real problem on match days. People use the housing estate not only as a car park but as a rubbish dump and toilet as well when they park on it. Residents have enquired about parking permits as the smaller estate opposite has a permit holders only parking scheme. The problems are cost and that each household will be limited to three permits.
If the issue where you live is workers parking during the day to go to nearby workplaces or visitors to some attraction near you, you may benefit at certain times on certain days when all these people descend on you. Chances are you'll only see traffic wardens outside these times on the day you're having a party and a load of visitors are round who you haven't got spare permits for.
If the issue where you live is workers parking during the day to go to nearby workplaces or visitors to some attraction near you, you may benefit at certain times on certain days when all these people descend on you. Chances are you'll only see traffic wardens outside these times on the day you're having a party and a load of visitors are round who you haven't got spare permits for.
Countdown said:
Would I be right in thinking that some residents feel there IS a parking issue and that's why there is a consultation process?
Why are you against one ?
It's not easy to explain, but I live on a cul-de-sac, which is a side road which then goes into a big loop around the green with houses all the way around the edge. At the end nearest the road we're off, you do get some commuters, however it's not that bad - it's not so bad that residents can't park - you may just have to park 20-50 yards further away.Why are you against one ?
The reasons I'm against them are that it's an extra level of unnecessary bureaucracy that will cost me money one way or another. I also regularly have different vehicles at home for a day, night or two.
What's nuts is that there's plenty of council run car parks here, but they're incredibly expensive so people seek out the free parking.
Instead of solving the problem across the whole town (e.g. making the parking free of charge to attract people to our town) they just turn one street at a time to residents only moving the non-residents around.
It will become a pain the moment your pass slips unnoticed off the dashboard as you shut the tailgate and the bloke in the van gives you an expensive piece of paper. The next time will be when two of your friends wish to pop round without consulting one another. The third will be when you go on holiday for two weeks and find you're in some breach of a restrictive rule which was imposed without your consent.
Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
Impasse said:
It will become a pain the moment your pass slips unnoticed off the dashboard as you shut the tailgate and the bloke in the van gives you an expensive piece of paper. The next time will be when two of your friends wish to pop round without consulting one another. The third will be when you go on holiday for two weeks and find you're in some breach of a restrictive rule which was imposed without your consent.
Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
Exactly, but I need to put together a meaningful and persuasive letter of objection...and the best way to do this is to come up with every single possible issue and craft it into a letter.Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
Maybe get a few opinions from neighbours? If you can put together a pack denouncing the proposed parking permits (sadly, I doubt non-petrolheads will have any idea about why it'd be a bad idea) then at least you can go somewhat mob-handed to the council and say that if a large percentage of the community are against permits, then not only are the council alienating their constituents (RE election time) but there's also added bureucracy and wasted time because said residents are probably against it because they will have external vehicles parked on the road, to a level that the community feel is appropriate (hence the dispute).
Otherwise, if you wanted to go it on your own, you could say that you drive a lot of company vehicles on business trips. These vehicles would be parked on your road and would be exempt from a ticket as they are your responsibility, as a homeowner - however it would be too much hassle to update the council every few days about a new vehicle and you feel that this is a potential risk that people could get clued up to and start claiming for, wasting council time etc etc.
Good luck!
ETA: A friend of mine lives on a permit road, you're exempt from a permit between 6pm and 7am. Obviously, at 7.03am every time I visit I receive a ticket. Hard to stomach when the ticket machine doesn't start working until 7am and it's a few minutes away anyway!
Otherwise, if you wanted to go it on your own, you could say that you drive a lot of company vehicles on business trips. These vehicles would be parked on your road and would be exempt from a ticket as they are your responsibility, as a homeowner - however it would be too much hassle to update the council every few days about a new vehicle and you feel that this is a potential risk that people could get clued up to and start claiming for, wasting council time etc etc.
Good luck!
ETA: A friend of mine lives on a permit road, you're exempt from a permit between 6pm and 7am. Obviously, at 7.03am every time I visit I receive a ticket. Hard to stomach when the ticket machine doesn't start working until 7am and it's a few minutes away anyway!
We're facing the same.
Sadly, my flat is near a 'trendy' shopping area and they've gradually been putting restrictions in place from that area outwards. Now people are seeing our streets as handy free parking and the residents momentum is moving towards voting for restrictions (previous attempts by the council to impose them were sent packing).
To me it's just classic jobsworth meddling and cash generation but I'm pissing against the tide. Best of luck.
Sadly, my flat is near a 'trendy' shopping area and they've gradually been putting restrictions in place from that area outwards. Now people are seeing our streets as handy free parking and the residents momentum is moving towards voting for restrictions (previous attempts by the council to impose them were sent packing).
To me it's just classic jobsworth meddling and cash generation but I'm pissing against the tide. Best of luck.
Great money spinning opportunity for the LA as non locals have to pay to park, 
s! Implemented recently in all the near town centre streets near me so presumably town centre parking prices will now skyrocket 
Saw some poor bd ticketed on the first day it rolled out ffs! London can have it back as far as I'm concerned, total st.
TX.
s! Implemented recently in all the near town centre streets near me so presumably town centre parking prices will now skyrocket Saw some poor bd ticketed on the first day it rolled out ffs! London can have it back as far as I'm concerned, total st.TX.
The Moose said:
It's not easy to explain, but I live on a cul-de-sac, which is a side road which then goes into a big loop around the green with houses all the way around the edge. At the end nearest the road we're off, you do get some commuters, however it's not that bad - it's not so bad that residents can't park - you may just have to park 20-50 yards further away.
The reasons I'm against them are that it's an extra level of unnecessary bureaucracy that will cost me money one way or another. I also regularly have different vehicles at home for a day, night or two.
What's nuts is that there's plenty of council run car parks here, but they're incredibly expensive so people seek out the free parking.
Instead of solving the problem across the whole town (e.g. making the parking free of charge to attract people to our town) they just turn one street at a time to residents only moving the non-residents around.
I'm in a similar position but have a slightly different view. We live near a shopping centre which has quite an active nighttime clientele (restaurants, bars etc.) There is Council provided pay-parking facilities - unfortunately this involves the customers having to walk 50 yards max. But quite a large minority prefer to park and double park in our street which makes access difficult. Some will actually park across the end of the drive so even if you manage to get into the street it can be a nightmare reversing into the driveway. Some will park wholly on the footpaths to the extent that most of the flagstones have cracked and are a trip hazard, double yellow lines are completely ignored meaning that visibility is restricted for people leaving the cul-de-sac. As a result I have no issues with Residents-only parking.The reasons I'm against them are that it's an extra level of unnecessary bureaucracy that will cost me money one way or another. I also regularly have different vehicles at home for a day, night or two.
What's nuts is that there's plenty of council run car parks here, but they're incredibly expensive so people seek out the free parking.
Instead of solving the problem across the whole town (e.g. making the parking free of charge to attract people to our town) they just turn one street at a time to residents only moving the non-residents around.
Troubleatmill said:
Are you a resident in the area where you park your car?
The plus points are....... if you are a resident... you get to park your car near your house. ( Which ... isn't a bad shout really )
Ain't necessarily so. We live in a restricted area in St Albans. Because we have one parking space we are not eligible for a residents' permit. The plus points are....... if you are a resident... you get to park your car near your house. ( Which ... isn't a bad shout really )
Impasse said:
It will become a pain the moment your pass slips unnoticed off the dashboard as you shut the tailgate and the bloke in the van gives you an expensive piece of paper. The next time will be when two of your friends wish to pop round without consulting one another. The third will be when you go on holiday for two weeks and find you're in some breach of a restrictive rule which was imposed without your consent.
Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
I lived near a polyversity in London at one point when resident parking was introduced, to stop the students parking there in the daytime. It didn't bother me as I was at work, but I correctly warned various neighbours that they'd end up getting tickets for minor infractions (I got one at 5 past the starting time when my permit fell off and landed face up on my seat overnight). Frikkin awful 1984-esq intrusion.
Also, the marked bays they drew out reduced available parking space by about a third.
A few years we had a vote on whether my street should have permit parking, we all voted against and no permits were introduced. However, the other streets around us voted for and had permits introduced. Coupled with extra building and an increasingly busy commuter station not too far away resulted in chaos. If you had your car in that one spot that you feel happiest with you basically then feared moving your car again.
Just my experiences.
Just my experiences.
Its a crazy system indeed. Local public car parks are too expensive, so visitors park further afield. To combat this, the council then charge YOU as a resident in order that THEY can stop visitors parking for free when they come to your town to SPEND money.
Double whammy of charging. All it does is move the issue to the next street and inconvenience you.
The street next to my flat has had it implemented last year, I've not yet heard a good thing said about it - and the number of cars on there looks the same as ever it did.
Easy cashola for the council.
Double whammy of charging. All it does is move the issue to the next street and inconvenience you.
The street next to my flat has had it implemented last year, I've not yet heard a good thing said about it - and the number of cars on there looks the same as ever it did.
Easy cashola for the council.
Pros:
Stops commuters parking in your road all day.
You may be able to park outside your own house more often.
Stops shifty looking cars being left near your house for weeks.
You may end up with "permit holders only" during one hour of the day.
Cons:
If you don't live in a cul-de-sac, makes the road even more rat-run friendly.
You have to pay to park outside your own house.
If pay and display is made available then you may still have a lack of parking.
Scooter based parking wardens eyeing up your car if you leave it on the road whilst nipping in and out of the house (if usually parked off road).
If you don't want the permit parking, your council will probably end up putting it in anyway.
[for nearby roads not part of the consultation] increase in cars parking in other roads.
Stops commuters parking in your road all day.
You may be able to park outside your own house more often.
Stops shifty looking cars being left near your house for weeks.
You may end up with "permit holders only" during one hour of the day.
Cons:
If you don't live in a cul-de-sac, makes the road even more rat-run friendly.
You have to pay to park outside your own house.
If pay and display is made available then you may still have a lack of parking.
Scooter based parking wardens eyeing up your car if you leave it on the road whilst nipping in and out of the house (if usually parked off road).
If you don't want the permit parking, your council will probably end up putting it in anyway.
[for nearby roads not part of the consultation] increase in cars parking in other roads.
Thanks for the info guys. We're having a friendly chat for residents on the cul-de-sac at the weekend, followed by the formal letter writing and consultation moving forward. I am going to start penning a draft of my letter for this weekend.
Any more suggestions, please feel free to send them over.
Any more suggestions, please feel free to send them over.
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