Is there a scam here?
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Sold my car today.
Guy seemed nice enough.
Money transfered, no issues there.
Come to do the v5, says his family own a mot centre, and can he buy it as a trader so it doesn't add an owner, so he fills out the yellow part of the v5c for me to send off, takes the rest. I agree, but take extra details and a photo of his license incase of any police related issues that may arise (I.e. Speeding tickets on his drive home)
Get a text a few hours later, thanking me and saying he loves the car, but would I mind not sending the slip off until mid-jan, as that means he can get the January months road fund back.
Now it seems odd, and I can't see how waiting a couple of weeks changes him refunding the tax, the only difference is the reminder will come through to me, but if the v5 registers before the end of jan, he's liable for the tax.
Is there a scam here I'm missing?
Guy seemed nice enough.
Money transfered, no issues there.
Come to do the v5, says his family own a mot centre, and can he buy it as a trader so it doesn't add an owner, so he fills out the yellow part of the v5c for me to send off, takes the rest. I agree, but take extra details and a photo of his license incase of any police related issues that may arise (I.e. Speeding tickets on his drive home)
Get a text a few hours later, thanking me and saying he loves the car, but would I mind not sending the slip off until mid-jan, as that means he can get the January months road fund back.
Now it seems odd, and I can't see how waiting a couple of weeks changes him refunding the tax, the only difference is the reminder will come through to me, but if the v5 registers before the end of jan, he's liable for the tax.
Is there a scam here I'm missing?
He can't get any tax back.
The tax on it when you sell the car effectively ceases at that point & as soon as you notify them DVLA send a cheque for any remainder which will be payable to you as the registered keeper. The later you notify DVLA the less you will get back.
I suspect he is trying to avoid having to tax the car for December.
(We've recently scrapped a car. Took it to the breakers on the Monday, wrote to DVLA enclosing a copy of the Certificate of Destruction the same day & received a cheque on the Saturday.)
The tax on it when you sell the car effectively ceases at that point & as soon as you notify them DVLA send a cheque for any remainder which will be payable to you as the registered keeper. The later you notify DVLA the less you will get back.
I suspect he is trying to avoid having to tax the car for December.
(We've recently scrapped a car. Took it to the breakers on the Monday, wrote to DVLA enclosing a copy of the Certificate of Destruction the same day & received a cheque on the Saturday.)
Edited by paintman on Wednesday 24th December 16:58
Sounds like he's a Trader and has bought the car to sell on for a profit. No big deal provided your happy with the price you received for it.
Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle.
Any offenses or tickets 'should' go to him once the DVLA have received the yellow form from you, but I would keep a copy of it with his details
just in case, at least until the DVLA send you the ownership change confirmation.
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle.
Any offenses or tickets 'should' go to him once the DVLA have received the yellow form from you, but I would keep a copy of it with his details
just in case, at least until the DVLA send you the ownership change confirmation.
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
Sifly said:
<snip>
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
NOIf the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
mph1977 said:
Sifly said:
<snip>
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
NOIf the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
Sifly said:
mph1977 said:
Sifly said:
<snip>
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
NOIf the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
"From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.|"
as discussed ad nauseum here and other car related forums plus publicised in the press ...
mph1977 said:
Sifly said:
mph1977 said:
Sifly said:
<snip>
If the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
NOIf the car was taxed before 1st October 2014, the tax will stay with the car as the old system (unless you surrender the disc to claim back any full months).
Any vehicle taxed on or after the 1st October needs to be re-taxed (or SORN) by the new owner from date of sale.
"From 1 October, when you buy a vehicle, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred with the vehicle. You will need to get new vehicle tax before you can use the vehicle.|"
as discussed ad nauseum here and other car related forums plus publicised in the press ...
Sifly said:
...
Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle...
Incorrect. The trader bought the car. He now owns it. There is a distinction between being the registered keeper of a car and being the owner of a car, and keeper and owner they don't have to be the same person. If the trader doesn't now own the car, who does? Not the OP, that's for sure, do who else? Also, what do you mean by "offically ...owner". How can you "unofficially" own something? Answer: you can't. There is no "official" about it. You either own something or you don't.* Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle...
* I leave aside the presently irrelevant distinction between legal and beneficial onwnership.
PS: In the UK, we commit offences, not offenses.
Only in a few circumstances does a person become liable to prosecution simply because he or she is registered keeper of a vehicle, and you can't generally be held liable for speeding etc. committed by someone else; but if you don't rapidly tell DVLA of a change of keeper you may get hassle, as other people's vehicular naughtinesses may result in you having to deal with tedious paperwork, and, even worse, you may stress us out here by posting up egregious OMG TICKET OF DOOM BUT IT WASNAE ME threads, so disturbing our restful slumbers.
In any event it's an offence not to tell DVLA pronto.
Only in a few circumstances does a person become liable to prosecution simply because he or she is registered keeper of a vehicle, and you can't generally be held liable for speeding etc. committed by someone else; but if you don't rapidly tell DVLA of a change of keeper you may get hassle, as other people's vehicular naughtinesses may result in you having to deal with tedious paperwork, and, even worse, you may stress us out here by posting up egregious OMG TICKET OF DOOM BUT IT WASNAE ME threads, so disturbing our restful slumbers.
In any event it's an offence not to tell DVLA pronto.
Breadvan72 said:
Sifly said:
...
Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle...
Incorrect. The trader bought the car. He now owns it. There is a distinction between being the registered keeper of a car and being the owner of a car, and keeper and owner they don't have to be the same person. If the trader doesn't now own the car, who does? Not the OP, that's for sure, do who else? Also, what do you mean by "offically ...owner". How can you "unofficially" own something? Answer: you can't. There is no "official" about it. You either own something or you don't.* Once you post the yellow slip (the trade form), he becomes responsible for the vehicle but doesn't officially become an owner of the vehicle...
* I leave aside the presently irrelevant distinction between legal and beneficial onwnership.
'owner'
'keeper listed on the v5 '
' keeper by virtue of being a trader meaning it doesn;t increment the V5 no of keepers and still shows the last none trade keeper name and address'
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