Dealers that insist on "Viewing by appointment only"
Dealers that insist on "Viewing by appointment only"
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VolvoT5

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4,155 posts

204 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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So many dealers seem to have this "viewing strictly by appointment only" added to their listing. Can someone explain this reasoning behind this? I'm not just talking about smaller traders, some of them have 30 or 40 cars advertised (not just cheap cars either) and appear to have business premises too.

Being a cynical git this makes me wonder what they have to hide, do they need time so they can pump up the tyres, charge the battery, refill the oil and warm the engine?

I'm after an XJ (X300 / X308) or perhaps an XJS. I have funds and may want to PX. I would just like to have a look at a few cars to see what my money buys without feeling as though I have to make a commitment to buy, although if the car is right I will.

What happened to the old fashioned dealer forecourt where you could wonder around and visually inspect the car without bothering anyone and then go in to get the keys & paperwork if you were seriously interested?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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so they can dig the car out and make sure you can actually drive it rather than making a trip there unannounced to find it is right at the back of the lot, or out on a test drive or sold or the salesman is off polishing his pointy shoes.

trickywoo

14,237 posts

260 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
So many dealers seem to have this "viewing strictly by appointment only" added to their listing. Can someone explain this reasoning behind this?
Probably playing golf / shagging the secretary etc

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
I would just like to have a look at a few cars to see what my money buys without feeling as though I have to make a commitment to buy, although if the car is right I will.
At the most simplistic level, don't feel like you are entering a commitment; you're making an appointment, not giving a letter of intent.

If the dealer takes umbrage at the fact that you (possibly) don't buy the car, that's their issue, not yours.

ETA: There should be some cars on forecourts that you can view, get an idea, then see if the 'appointment only' dealer fits sensibly within that idea. Hell, just from adverts you should be able to get a reasonable idea of age, mileage and equipment, if not picture-perfect detail of condition.

Edited by xRIEx on Wednesday 31st December 10:04

Mave

8,217 posts

245 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Willy Nilly said:
so they can dig the car out and make sure you can actually drive it rather than making a trip there unannounced to find it is right at the back of the lot, or out on a test drive or sold or the salesman is off polishing his pointy shoes.
That's what I thought until I rang a dealer this summer, turned up a few hours later as agreed, car was at the back of the lot with a flat tyre and a flat battery. "great car this, been using it every day"... Joker. :@

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Many times are because these are one man bands, and they have to see other customers, go off on days to auctions etc.

Nothing more sinister than that.


lufbramatt

5,689 posts

164 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Willy Nilly said:
so they can dig the car out and make sure you can actually drive it rather than making a trip there unannounced to find it is right at the back of the lot, or out on a test drive or sold or the salesman is off polishing his pointy shoes.
On one of the few occasions I've bothered going to a dealer to look at a car, I ignored the "appointment only" bit as I didn't realise I would be in the area that day. The smarmy salesman didn't know the car was there despite it being on their website, we wandered round for ages finding the thing and when we did it was covered in dust and mud tucked down the side of the building. However, when he came back with the keys, there was suddenly 2 people coming to look at it later that day who were very interested, oh and by the way sir do you want finance?... Funnily enough no sale was made that day.

VolvoT5

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4,155 posts

204 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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xRIEx said:
At the most simplistic level, don't feel like you are entering a commitment; you're making an appointment, not giving a letter of intent.

If the dealer takes umbrage at the fact that you (possibly) don't buy the car, that's their issue, not yours.

ETA: There should be some cars on forecourts that you can view, get an idea, then see if the 'appointment only' dealer fits sensibly within that idea. Hell, just from adverts you should be able to get a reasonable idea of age, mileage and equipment, if not picture-perfect detail of condition.
I just can't help but wonder how much passing trade they miss by having this policy though. I bought my current car after 'just going for a look' and deciding it was far too good to miss. If it had been appointment only I wouldn't have even gone.

I also think it is difficult to get much from an advert, because a well taken picture can hide many sins and many of the ads are just a list of spec anyway.

It doesn't help that the prices for these particular cars seems to be all over the place. There are some apparently nice cars advertised for 2k, but others are up for 5k.


mwstewart

8,588 posts

218 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
I just can't help but wonder how much passing trade they miss by having this policy though. I bought my current car after 'just going for a look' and deciding it was far too good to miss. If it had been appointment only I wouldn't have even gone.

I also think it is difficult to get much from an advert, because a well taken picture can hide many sins and many of the ads are just a list of spec anyway.

It doesn't help that the prices for these particular cars seems to be all over the place. There are some apparently nice cars advertised for 2k, but others are up for 5k.
It's a different paradigm; the sole 'front of house' for a lot of these companies is their website.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
xRIEx said:
At the most simplistic level, don't feel like you are entering a commitment; you're making an appointment, not giving a letter of intent.

If the dealer takes umbrage at the fact that you (possibly) don't buy the car, that's their issue, not yours.

ETA: There should be some cars on forecourts that you can view, get an idea, then see if the 'appointment only' dealer fits sensibly within that idea. Hell, just from adverts you should be able to get a reasonable idea of age, mileage and equipment, if not picture-perfect detail of condition.
I just can't help but wonder how much passing trade they miss by having this policy though. I bought my current car after 'just going for a look' and deciding it was far too good to miss. If it had been appointment only I wouldn't have even gone.

I also think it is difficult to get much from an advert, because a well taken picture can hide many sins and many of the ads are just a list of spec anyway.

It doesn't help that the prices for these particular cars seems to be all over the place. There are some apparently nice cars advertised for 2k, but others are up for 5k.
Absolutely, but that's one cost of doing business - they've decided their business model is appointment only because that fits with the way they operate (as said above, maybe they work on their own, or are even involved in other businesses). It may serve to filter out the 'timewasters' (although it probably just introduces the no-show timewasters). As I've put on another thread somewhere, not every business wants to deal with every potential customer - they want the customers that are going to make them money and to completely avoid all the others.

Ads that are just a list of spec - I don't see a problem with that, I'd rather know objectively (and in print) what is on the car rather than some rubbish about how "it's my pride and joy, never seen rain, I get lots of attention driving down the street".

Maz_uk

590 posts

228 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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I know some traders who trade from home (big houses with land) insist on appointment only as they need time to fit business around personal lives and auctions deliveries etc.

VolvoT5

Original Poster:

4,155 posts

204 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Willy Nilly said:
so they can dig the car out and make sure you can actually drive it rather than making a trip there unannounced to find it is right at the back of the lot, or out on a test drive or sold or the salesman is off polishing his pointy shoes.
Not fussed about driving it there and then. If it looks decent and the paperwork is right I can always leave a deposit subject to testing and make an appointment to come back for the drive.

Seems like everyone thinks this is quite normal practice, so I guess I am just unreasonable in wanting to be able to turn up and view.....

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

254 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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The guy local to me sells loads doing it this way.

He said if it was 'open house' he would need a full time sales guy, a full time receptionist, and a full time valet.

This means it would be costing him around £80,000 a year more in wages and PAYE.

He makes on average £2-3k out of each car once everything has been taken into account, so he would need to sell another 3 cars in reality every month to cover the costs.

He is selling around 5-6 cars a month currently on average, so he would need to increase his turnover of cars by 50%.
He then has the fact he would need to be there 6 days a week being realistic, where as now if he is not buying or has no appointments he hasn't got to go in.

He gets people come from all over the UK to buy cars from him, he sells mainly German marques and does a few Bentleys as well, but mainly as he loves them. But he prices them well, sells them quickly, looks after his customers and more importantly is now enjoying it far more doing it this way than when he had a sale lot that was open for anyone to walk in.



red_slr

20,866 posts

219 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Usually due to having 30 cars parked in a unit big enough for 15. Plus flat battery, no fuel, flat tyres, phone calls, etc etc.

andymc

7,625 posts

237 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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gizlaroc said:
The guy local to me sells loads doing it this way.

He said if it was 'open house' he would need a full time sales guy, a full time receptionist, and a full time valet.

This means it would be costing him around £80,000 a year more in wages and PAYE.

He makes on average £2-3k out of each car once everything has been taken into account, so he would need to sell another 3 cars in reality every month to cover the costs.

He is selling around 5-6 cars a month currently on average, so he would need to increase his turnover of cars by 50%.
He then has the fact he would need to be there 6 days a week being realistic, where as now if he is not buying or has no appointments he hasn't got to go in.

He gets people come from all over the UK to buy cars from him, he sells mainly German marques and does a few Bentleys as well, but mainly as he loves them. But he prices them well, sells them quickly, looks after his customers and more importantly is now enjoying it far more doing it this way than when he had a sale lot that was open for anyone to walk in.
the days are gone of used car shopping, most people are already decided what they want

xRIEx

8,180 posts

178 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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VolvoT5 said:
Seems like everyone thinks this is quite normal practice, so I guess I am just unreasonable in wanting to be able to turn up and view.....
Not necessarily normal - I'm much more used to going to a dealer forecourt; it's simply a viable alternative to the forecourt type of business.

It's not unreasonable to want to turn up and view at a forecourt dealer; it is unreasonable to want to turn up and view at a dealer who says they don't want people to turn up and view.

defblade

8,075 posts

243 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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lufbramatt said:
However, when he came back with the keys, there was suddenly 2 people coming to look at it later that day who were very interested, oh and by the way sir do you want finance?... Funnily enough no sale was made that day.
How do you know? One of the other 2 might have bought it winkrofl

Toaster Pilot

14,867 posts

188 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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I know a trader who operates like this because his sales guy is appointment only and paid on commission - small operation but with far more stock than I have (I'm the mechanic, salesman, accountant, delivery driver, etc so also do this)

JimmyConwayNW

3,653 posts

155 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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Most people have already researched what car they want on the Internet. Long gone are the days of driving round multiple forecourts just browsing.

It makes a lot of sense to view by appointment for the customer so that you can simply checkif the car is actually still for sale and physically on the forecourt.
In some cases you get people posting on here saying I drove 3 hours to view the cheapest passat in the UK and when I got there it had sold... How can I get compensation from the dealer.

Wacky Racer

41,390 posts

277 months

Wednesday 31st December 2014
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JimmyConwayNW said:
Most people have already researched what car they want on the Internet.
True

JimmyConwayNW said:
Long gone are the days of driving round multiple forecourts just browsing.
Not so, We have recently been round lots of dealers in our area looking for a nice used late model, low mileage Fiesta for one of my sons, finally bought one at a Ford main dealer after visiting around twenty other dealerships, supermarkets etc.

smile